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Ok, i know there was a thread about Allied barges recently. I will not pretend that i figured all stuff so here i am with questions?

1. there are several allied barge types (i call them all barges)

LVCP, LCI, LST, LCT.... from what i have experienced i get VP only for LCI, LST and LCT?

2. Are all barge limited with the number available (like PTs for example?) or they simply respawn?

3. How many barges are available if their number is limited?

The LST isn't a barge. Much, much bigger ship...

Without looking in the editor, I will guess you will get near 1000 LCVP's,maybe 60 of each of the others,optimally?
You need to go to the editoe for an exact number.(I am figuring on RHS numbers, not vanilla.)
CHS enhanced the numbers to a more realistic figure also.

Just did a quick check into stock Scen 15:

The following are ships not barges
LST approx 300
LSM approx 120
LCI approx 120
and this does not include the specialised gun, rocket and mortar versions (fire support ships)

Barges -
LCT approx 124
LCM/LCVP approx 134 (these I think respawn - anyone know for sure?)

I suppose we should explain what the abbreviations stand for as it might clarify things a bit:

LST Landing ship Tank
LSM Landing Ship Medium
LCI Landing Craft Infantry
LCT Landing Craft Tank
LCM Landing Craft Mechanised
LCVP Landing Craft Vehicle/Personnel

Would someone like to post pictures.... (and provide approximate tonnages/capacity).

((Edit: Fixed definitions to avoid confusion))

Here's the lead ship of the most numerous LST type, LST 542. 4,000 tons maximum displacement, troop accomodations for about 160 officers and enlisted men, capable of carrying LCVP's and LCT's, tanks, trucks... All sorts of stuff really. Endurance was about 24,000 miles at 9 knots.

Here is LCI(L)-402. 419 tons maximum displacement (about 264 tons maximum for landing ops, so she could sail onto a beach and have a chance to get off again). Troop capacity was about 190, cargo capacity about 75 tons. Endurance 4,000 miles at 12 knots.

LSM-210 (and yes, that stands for Landing Ship, Medium) . Max displacement around 1,100 tons, troop capacity around 50 (she was mainly for landing supplies, I believe).

LSM's were also used for rocket-firing landing support vessels:

Here's an LCVP. Displacement around 7 tons, capacity 36 men:

Higgins-type LCM (Landing Craft, Mechanized). Max displacement 52 tons, capacity 1 tank or 30 tons of cargo or 60 troops:

And finally, the LCT (Landing Craft, Tank). Displacement around 300 tons for landing, capacity for 3 to 4 tanks, depending on size.

Great. Thanks for that.

so you dont get any points for barges but you get them for L ships if you sink them right?


i've just sunk couple of LCT ships but didn't get any points for them. Strangely, last time i did it i got 2 points for LCT.... all in all, i don't get it[&:]

Did you sink them or did your pilots only report them as sunk??

With fog of war you can never be sure. If they were sunk they should turn up on the list eventually.

The other question would be are you playing a mod??

Would it be possible some LCT are in a barge slot and others are in a ship slot??

i'm certain they are sunk[:D]

Great stuff Terminus, thanks.

Here's the table from the manual that details cargo efficiency for all ship types. LSTs are pretty good, but not the best type to (un)load infantry:



And here are the amphibious values:



LCIs are not listed, I guess they have an amphib. value of 75?

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Here's the lead ship of the most numerous LST type, LST 542. 4,000 tons maximum displacement, troop accomodations for about 160 officers and enlisted men, capable of carrying LCVP's and LCT's, tanks, trucks... All sorts of stuff really. Endurance was about 24,000 miles at 9 knots.

Are you sure on the range? Could an LST really sail around the world unrefueled? [X(]

24K is correct...