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Broadsword Torpedoes not fired on by PDB's

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:58 am
by Steinermax
So, Im not sure if this is a glitch (in which case it would be in the wrong spot), but when I engage Broadsword DD's with an Asher class, their torpedo/nike goes right through my PDB screen. The PDB's dont even fire on them.

This seems to happen to the bigger Terrelian DD as well becuase I've seen one go down in seconds against 2 Broadswords.

Has anyone else had this problem; and, if so, is there a solution. I really like the game, but getting killed from 80 k while my PDBs do nothing is having a detrimental effect on my fun levels.

If anyone can help, I thank you in advance.

RE: Broadsword Torpedoes not fired on by PDB's

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:13 am
by wdboyd
I haven't actually seen this problem to the degree you describe. I have had torpedoes get through on occasion though.

If memory serves me right, the Asher has three phalanx cannons on board. Those weapons are targeted towards ships, fighers and drones.

But such weapons individually can't and won't target more than one type target at a time. Even if they were to target only the incoming drones... there is no guarantee that they would get all of the torpedoes.

The bottom line is... if the weapon is deffed to target certain weapons... it should unless it's deffed to target more than one type of weapon, in which case, its targeting attentions could be devided.

I can think of no reason such a designed weapon should not do what it is deffed to do. Regardless don't expect them to be 100% effective. They aren't.

RE: Broadsword Torpedoes not fired on by PDB's

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:08 pm
by Bryax
One solution: Don't come up from a broadsword head-on.

RE: Broadsword Torpedoes not fired on by PDB's

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:32 pm
by Moriartie
Are you sure the PDBS were set to auto fire or defensive on the weapons console? Other than that - yes, it's annoying.

RE: Broadsword Torpedoes not fired on by PDB's

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:11 am
by Player 5
do you mean that the PDB's didnt fire at all?
because if so, its cuz they are all on the top of the ship and cannot target things unless they are 1 degree(estimate) above YOUR heading on the z-axis and, even then, as Boyd said, it might get thru

RE: Broadsword Torpedoes not fired on by PDB's

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:35 am
by Shadow_AUT
I have the same Problem too, the Broadswords are simply overpowered, the entire Fleet at the Higland Campaign was destroyed by 2 broadswords !! (1 CA, 2DDs + CV) It was really bullshit to see that a Cruiser was destroyed by them in seconds too, thats really NOT BALANCED, because not even one of the alliance vessels shot back +lool+ yeah Broadswords are overpowered...

CHANGE IT !!!! +grml+
PDB's should do theyr job ^^


ah... and please can you explain me, why the AI is so stupid at all ??
most of the Alliance vessels are simply dumb and are destroying themselves (Landing ops with Fighters, FFs ramming friendly DDs, and so on..)

RE: Broadsword Torpedoes not fired on by PDB's

Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:16 am
by Voyager
The Broadswords are using Nike missiles, I have discoved, and no, the PDB don't target them.  I was flying a Spectre against an AI Broadsword, and got simply splattered.  Yes, both sets of PDB were set to defensive mode.

I'm thinking the tactic to use against a BS is target its missile launchers, then go for its lasers.

RE: Broadsword Torpedoes not fired on by PDB's

Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:11 pm
by shallnavy
Hello everyone,

I've been playing SS:TGS for two days now, and while I really love it ... the Broadswords are making my dynamic campaign (the second one, Highland I believe) a bit difficult. In my current situation, all the friendly forces are in split into two groups (the Archon group and the Gerrond group), separated by about 250km. Three unique groups of Broadsword destroyers (some with frigate escorts) show up immediately, and quickly destroy the Archon's entire fleet (they took out the cruiser in seconds). The other group destroyed all of the Gerrond group with the exception of one frigate that either ran away or got distracted by something else.

Trying to target the Broadsword's missile launchers seems to work, but only after losing a whole bunch of friendly ships. I can't be three places at once, and the friendly AI doesn't seem to know what to do. It's very possible that I'm just not very good at the game. Are the PDBs broken against the Nike missiles, or is this by design? How can you possibly win against a Broadsword 1-v-1 when you start out with them facing and shooting you? Guess I'll have to practice in the mission creator. Or is there a mod that changes things for the campaign?

Thanks in advance for any tips. Gonna go practice now.

RE: Broadsword Torpedoes not fired on by PDB's

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 10:40 pm
by Elukka
Every mission where there is a Broadsword is basically unplayable. I think this needs a patch, fast.

Would it be possible to somehow mod it? I tried extracting the files, but couldn't find anything which defines whether the PDB weapons can fire on those Nike torpedoes...

Edit: Would it be possible to just replace them with the fusion torpedoes, if that's easier?
I'm rather desperate, since i'd really like to play cap ship missions but now i just can't...

RE: Broadsword Torpedoes not fired on by PDB's

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:58 pm
by yngvef
I experienced the Broadsword-problem in "Operation Highland" when driving my Asher-class destroyer. I was quickly killed (also, it was my first trip in a destroyer and I had forgotten to set shields to maximum).
 
In the next campaign "Shining Fortress", I got a Spectre-class destroyer, and it took down almost all the enemy torpedoes (I even fought alone against two broadswords and killed both). When getting close to the enemy destroyer, the torpedoes start hitting better because the PDBs don't have time to react I guess. My tip is to stay a bit away (40-50 km) and use the lasers to kill their PDBs and then putting your own torpedoes on autofire.
 
It could be a bug in the Highland campaign, or a bug with the Asher. I'm not sure because I only used the Asher in "Operation Highland" and only the Spectre in "Shining Fortress".
 
What I did in the first campaign to kill them when I couldn't take them with destroyers, I used my trusty F/A-38 of the attack squadron on the carrier. I loaded up a flight of four ships with 6 ASMs each and pounded the broadswords into tiny bits. I even got a medal :)

RE: Broadsword Torpedoes not fired on by PDB's

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:07 am
by Elukka
The Asher has it's PDB in a bit strange places, but if the Spectre works you might not have the bug happening at all...

My destroyers never ever shoot at the Nike torpedoes.

Maybe i should just try to reinstall the game if everyone doesn't have the Broadsword problem.