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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

It would take some work to figure out which bases should be at what level. In Bloody Shambles it is mentioned that B17s staged out of Namlea to attack Japanese forces at Manado. By this I am supposing that Namlea should start out 2(0)??

ORIGINAL: Cathartes

Exceptions to the "across the board" rule will make the difference. For example, there are base locations that did in fact represent multiple airfields. Rabaul is a perfect example of this, and large numbers of aircraft were capable of operating from this location, because there were some 5 airstrips and a seaplane base. Pearl Harbor is of course 9/10 probably not just because of the large runway length and developed tarmacs, but because multiple airfields are represented--Oahu makes perfect sense as a 9/10 base, as does SF. And what about airfields like this? This is the potential of Tinian fully realized.

ORIGINAL: herwin

I'd rather use actual data. It should be available.

Now depending on the bombload that was operationally carried - will we assign 12,000lbs or 20,000lbs. If 12,000lbs then Tinian can be given an SPS of 2 which could be expanded to 5 and B-29's could reach Japan with a full operational load. If 20,000lbs is assigned then Tinian would require a SPS of 4 which could be expanded to 7 to allow B-29's to reach Japan with a full load.

ORIGINAL: KDonovan

Now depending on the bombload that was operationally carried - will we assign 12,000lbs or 20,000lbs. If 12,000lbs then Tinian can be given an SPS of 2 which could be expanded to 5 and B-29's could reach Japan with a full operational load. If 20,000lbs is assigned then Tinian would require a SPS of 4 which could be expanded to 7 to allow B-29's to reach Japan with a full load.

correct me if i'm wrong, but adjusting the bombload of the B29, in order to operate at a lower AF level of 5 seems to open a can of worms. By that i mean, you wil then need to adjust the B17/24 for level 4 AF's, then B25/26's for level 3 AF's. Which won't solve any of the problems with the current base size's in the game.

Tinian was captured by the United States in July 1944 in the battle of Tinian. The island was transformed into the busiest airbase of the war, with two B-29 airfields (West and North) having six 8,500 foot (2700 m) runways. The Japanese had constructed three small fighter strips on Tinian but none were suitable for bomber operations.

ORIGINAL: spence

Here's a link to what appears to be a bunch of good maps of Pacific Islands and so forth at the end of the war:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historic ... _1945.html

Very interesting. I have a series of questions. Basically:

1. What does a port size rating mean to the game engine?
2. How do you determine the port size in 1941?
3. What determines the potential port size?

Here, I'm thinking about some of the major ports developed by the USN during the war: Ulithi, the Admiralties, perhaps Samoa. I suspect manpower availability should be part of the model.

Size of Port
 - Influences	- Chance of being Targeted by enemy Air Strike.
 		- Additional damage to Ships in Base, due to existing Ships' damage.
 		- Amount of damage in enemy Air Strikes & Naval Bombardments.
 		- Port Facilites' damage repair time & Port expand time.
 		- Ship's Repair Time.
 		- Loading / Unloading Speed.
 		- Forts construction speed (combined with Airfield size).
 		- Garrison required in Chinese Bases (combined with Airfield size and production items in city).
 		- Reduction of LCU Fatigue (combined with Airfield size).
 		- Spoilage amount of Fuel / Supplies (combined with Airfield size).
 		- Victory Points for holding a Base (combined with Airfield size)
 - Size 1	- Barges & PT Boats can be activated (requires 10.000+ Supplies at Base).
 		- Fuel can be produced by HI & Oil centers in city.
 		- Ship Tenders (AD, AR, MLE...) can perform their duties.
 		- Can be Mined.
 - Size 3	- TFs can be disbanded - ships put At Anchor.
 		- PT Boats can reload Torpedoes. (requires 3.000+ Supplies at Base).
 		- Ships Docked /At Anchor  immune to Sub attacks.
 - Size 5	- Ship's systems (weapons, radars...) can be repaired.
 - Size 8	- Can be used for Auto Sub Ops (requires 10.000+ Supplies at Base).
 		- SS & Surface Ships can reload Torpedoes.
 - Size 9	- ML, DM & SS can reload Mines.

4. What does an airfield size rating mean to the game engine?
5. How do you determine the airfield size in 1941?
6. What determines the potential airfield size?

Here, I suspect buildable area, rock type, and manpower should be part of the model.

Size of Airfield
 - Influences	- Operational Losses at take-off / landing.
 		- Chance of being Targeted by enemy Air Strike.
 		- Amount of damage in enemy Air Strikes & Naval Bombardments.
 		- Airfield Facilities' damage repair time & Airfield expand time.
 		- Chance to destroy / damage planes on ground.
 		- Level Bombers on Offensive Missions flying without penalties.
 		- What Missions planes can fly, when Airfield has sustained Runway Damage.
 		- Max. number of planes that can fly Missions.
 		- Max. number of Aviation Support in a main Base Force Unit in Base.
 		- Forts construction speed (combined with Port size).
 		- Garrison required in Chinese Bases (combined with Port size and production items in city).
 		- Reduction of LCU Fatigue (combined with Port size).
 		- Spoilage amount of Fuel / Supplies (combined with Port size).
 		- Victory Points for holding a Base (Combined with Port size).
 - Size 0	- Float Planes, Float Fighters or Patrol Planes can use - only if Costal hex.
 		- If SPS = 0, takes 10 * longer than normal to expand to Size 1.
 - Size 1	- Airfield / Port / Naval / Ground Attack and Sweep Missions can't be flown.
 		- Can be Targeted for Air Troop Transport.
 		- Ships' Air Units can transfer from their Ships.
 - Size 4	- Level Bombers with Bomb Load < 6,500 fly Offensive Missions without penalties.
 - Size 5	- Level Bombers with 6,500 < Bomb Load < 13,000 fly Offensive Missions without penalties.
 - Size 6	- Level Bombers with 13,000 < Bomb Load < 19,500 fly Offensive Missions without penalties.
 - Size 7	- Level Bombers with Bomb Load > 19.500 fly Offensive Missions without penalties.

If the game engine uses port and airfield size primarily to restrict the kinds of operations from a base, then we need to do a terrain analysis.

I wouldn't mind a version of CHS designed solely for PBEM that had accurate map data.