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Hello everyone again.

Well, for starters, I am a "history freak". This means I want to assign the historical air units to their historical theatre (along with the land units, but they are irrelevant to this issue). But in RHS we have a problem (basically with the American air units). Almost all of the first air units [first 6, 7 months of the game or so?] are assigned to the Western Command, except the Alaska Command and other few exceptions. I guess El Cid Again wants players to pay political points. Or even more understandable: people are not forced to follow a "historical" game. No problem with that. But I still want to assign the air units to their correct [historical] HQ's. Note that I play a historical game, so this is important to me.

I already know what [American] squadrons were assigned to the Southwest Pacific, Southeast Asia (and the Alaska Command is not a problem, as I have said above). But I need to know the squadrons assigned to the Central Pacific and South Pacific HQ's. I more or less know the "Groups" -- if Wikipedia and other cyber sources are more or less correct -- but I couldn't find out the squadrons (NO "groups" in RHS, only squadrons). Google wasn't my friend this time and that's weird [:(]. So anyone knows this information? Any help will be highly appreciated [&o] And thanks in advance [:)]

Try this link:

http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/website ... s2.php.htm

and then click #82 "U) Combat Squadrons of the Air Force, World War II, edited by Maurer Maurer (Washington: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1969). 841 pages."

Slow loading PDF (841 pages...) that lists all USAAF Squadrons with their deployments, bases and planes.

K

Downloading it. This is exactly what I was looking for [&o] Thank you very much, Kereguelen.

Actually, you have it BOTH ways with RHS.

FOUR of the scenarios (CVO, RAO, BBO and RPO) have the squadrons assigned to their historical slots (a la CHS in most cases, corrected only exceptionally if CHS had it wrong and it was pointed out).

TWO of the scenarios (PPO and EOS) assign BOTH SIDES planes to "home commands" - and NOT to forward commands - whenever possible. THESE scenarios have extra political points - points used IRL to send the planes to whatever forward command - which now are under player control.

So you can do it either way. Only the "political point" scenarios have planes assigned mainly to home commands.

El Cid Again, sorry to disagree but that is not true. I am using CVO -- and now Kereguelen's genial PDF -- and almost all of the [American] squadrons are assigned to the Western Command (Alaska Command, "some" Central Pacific units and other few units are the exception).

Unless... Both the Southwest Pacific and South Pacific HQ's arrive later. Hmm, when they will appear all those "units" [now assigned to Western Command, etc., etc.] will be auto-magically assigned to these 2 HQ's? But this does not explain why some Central Pacific units are still assigned to the Western Command thing (since the former is already in the game).

Unless we somehow got files mixed up somewhere along the line, the squadrons should be approximately what you see in CHS - as I did not even look at this for those scenarios - it remains what it was in CHS 155 (where we branched).

El Cid Again, I have downloaded (and tried) almost all the CVO versions, since v.4.x -- if I remember correctly. The air and land units were always assigned to the Western Command HQ. Notorious example: the first 2 American divisions in Australia => 41st and 32nd. But the Americal division is correctly assigned to the South Pacific HQ. I thought this was sort of "normal" after all: players must pay political points and/or they are not forced to blindly follow history. That's why I didn't say anything before.

A spot check reveals this isn't true - that is that "most" divisions are not assigned to Western Command. However, 32nd certainly is - and in CHS 155 it was assigned forward - so we can change it. Haven't found 41st yet. Do you mean 43rd Division? It went to South Pacific in CHS.

I will correct any such case - if you give a slot number it is faster to check/change. 32nd will change as of x.699 in the four scenarios it should change in - but not of course EOS or PPO.

And Americal is assigned to "Central Pacific" in CHS. This is, however, clearly incorrect - as it formed up on New Caledonia.

Found 41st Division in CHS 155 - it was assigned to West Coast - so that is where we get it from. You think it should be different?

Changed US 102nd Regiment to South Pacific.

Changed 754th Tank Battalion to South Pacific.

Changed US 24th Regiment to South Pacific.

Changing 112th US Cavalry Regiment to South Pacific.

Changing 1 Marine Division to South Pacific.

Changing 43rd Division to Pacific Fleet (= CHS Central Pacific)

Changing 33rd US Naval Base Force to South Pacific.

No no. I do not want you to change anything [:)] I started this thread because I needed information about the squadrons thing. Now I have it and that's what counts.

I try to keep this in mind: CVO was not made solely for me a.k.a. a "history freak". There are other players. They may want to assign their forces to other HQ's. So the current situation is possibly right. Players are free to choose where those units will be fighting.

P.S.:
and no, I am talking about the 41st division, first or second American division to arrive in Australia (in april perhaps?). It is indeed assigned to the Western Command in CVO. Same thing with the 27th division (historically assigned to the Central Pacific). Or the 37th (historically assigned to South Pacific => garrison in Fidji Islands).

The design INTENT for RHS (outside of PPO and EOS) is that players get units in the correct command - which is why they get so few political points. Particularly when out of sync with CHS these are eratta - unless CHS was wrong - as for example 41st division might be. So the changes were made/are being made because we have discovered things are not as planned. These scenarios are supposed to be CHS like in respect to this matter. Players who want great flexability in assigning units need to be using PPO or EOS - which are intended for them. Note, however, that the other four scenarios let you have your cake and eat it too in this sense: you get a few more political points than you did in CHS.

Note that a unit assigned to a forward command can be changed to a different command at the same PP cost as one assigned to US West Coast (Western Command in RHS). It is not a disadvantage to a player that we assign it forward - only an advantage insofar as if he wants that area he pays no PP. A change costs the same regardless of where it was assigned. In limited PP scenarios - assigning forward mean that is what the PP were spent on already - and you can change it - using the few that remain.

The 37th Division was correctly assigned in RHS to South Pacific.

Changing 27th Division to Pacific Fleet (= CHS Central Pacific).

Changing 41st Division to SW Pacific - even if it isn't in CHS 155.