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I always read "Never one unit in just one ship".
When one ship is sunk, is there a possibility to regenerate this part to the whole unit? Will it make sense to evacuate one sub full of men from everey unit i.e. in malaya?
So can I replace a very small part to the whole unit, if the big rest is destroyed?

Thanks

Works just like you suppose, you bad english-speaking Kraut you. [;)]

Lots of guys do it all the time. Some call it gamey.

So even a minor part will get the original big unit again?!

ORIGINAL: Historiker

So even a minor part will get the original big unit again?!

Yes, you got it right.

That is a little trick.

Change the base of the Philly (USSAF? command) and DEI (ABAD command) Engineering units to like SWPAC or SE Asia, Sub Transport a small piece of it to OZ (SWPAC) or India (SE Asia. Once the unit is destroyed by the Evil Forces it will slowly regen the little piece you transported out.

That goes for all the units in the Singapore area, other than you do not need to change to base command, because it is already SE Asia.

You will probably need to wait for a bit, and let most of the units get beat up to shrink the size of it, otherwise the cost in PPs to change the base is too high. For the hopelessly small units on those little islands around Philly, keep an eye on those. Once the Evil Empire invades it will not take long for them to all die.

Make sure once the big piece is gone that you have the new little piece on Replacements, otherwise it will stay a baby. It will take a bit of time, but well worth it.

Also, drop the littles pieces into a base with a lot of supplies to help them regen faster. May not need to transport them all the way to say Sydney, but drop them into Darwin and just let them walk there. Saves all the time for the sub to move that far and back, while the unit can walk. The parent unit will not die that fast, probably, and it will allow the sub to pick up at another base quicker.

Good luck to you and welcome aboard!

If your the Allies use the American subs with endurance over 11,000 for one of two roles - transport or minelaying. The Dutch, British, and American S-boats have good torpdeoes. The larger fllet boats have those damn defective ones and often will fail to explode. I use most of mine to get fragments to Darwin and to India (use a large base - Urban hex with lots of manpower and over 20,000 supply to rebuild). I usually allow replacement for only a few units at a time.
 
From PI you will want to get off the large Aviation Rgt, naval HQ, 2 Armor LCU (need them for invasions later in the game), and PS Engineer LCU. Afterwards, fragments of what you can get. As an Allied player, there is a shortage of Aviation support early in the game and you want them to build fort and expand AFs. [:D]

Thank you very much. My kraut-opponent would hate you for this hint
How important is it, that unit (not only the small pieces) have the same command area as the base?

Not critical, but the LCU's in Malaya already belong to SE Asia. Those from PI, you will want to change to SW Pacific as the Australian command is restrictive (cannot load and be transferred off Australia).  It is nice to place the frags in bases with other bases near by that you can unload supply at and have multiple bases with over 20k supply. Supposedly, it speeds up the rebuilding process. [;)]

My .02 for what its worth concerning the Indian units in Malaya:

Dont bother evaccing fragments of these units. If you cant get the whole unit out, dont bother. You have 5 Indian divisions that start at 1/3 of their full strength and it will take years to finish filling out these units, much less working on the Bdes out of Malaya.

YOU can pull them out, not me, with having 4BBs and 2 CVs in the street of Malacca...

Once the ENGs, AA, ARM and CDs are out of those areas, you may want to pick up some INF, but maybe not.

Look at your data and see how many of those CW, Dutch, etc INF units you build.  If it ain't much, and it depends on the mod you are using, they are not worth taking out.

Why pull out an INF which needs say 167 squads of something and you only build like 5/month.  Many of the ENG have a small amount of those INF and you probably want to let those ENG grab those INF squads than re-built an INF just in time for the Korean War.

Don't forget, if you have the time, as mentioned above, to grab those ARM units, they will be needed.  Also, those CD units and AA units are really helpful.  Drop those CDs on a spot he may want, after they are built back up, can make a nasty surprise.

Also, those HQ are a huge plus. May want to grab those first, even before the ENGs.

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

My .02 for what its worth concerning the Indian units in Malaya:

Dont bother evaccing fragments of these units. If you cant get the whole unit out, dont bother. You have 5 Indian divisions that start at 1/3 of their full strength and it will take years to finish filling out these units, much less working on the Bdes out of Malaya.

I agree with this 100%. They're much better used trying to delay at Singapore. If a brigade's down to 5 AV and 30/80 strength or something like that, it might be worthwhile to pull the whole brigade out. By that point it will no longer help your defense and repairing disablements is much quicker than taking on replacements.

A full or mostly full combat unit might help your defense somewhere in '42. A fragment won't. It might take a year or more for some of those fragments to fill out. In late-43, early-44 the bottleneck isn't LCUs - they're coming out of your ears. The bottleneck is combat shipping.

There are enough US Fleet boats with lousy torpedoes that I try to get as much of a unit evacuated as possible. This is especially true with the Dutch units they have a low replacement rate.

ORIGINAL: KPAX

Also, those HQ are a huge plus. May want to grab those first, even before the ENGs.

SEAC HQs automatically return at Karachi 30 days after they are destroyed. Don't bother with these.

I did not realize that.

If BOB ever goes beyond 30 days you will learn this[:D]

Well we are up to 3 weeks[:D]

ORIGINAL: RUPD3658

ORIGINAL: KPAX

Also, those HQ are a huge plus. May want to grab those first, even before the ENGs.

SEAC HQs automatically return at Karachi 30 days after they are destroyed. Don't bother with these.

RUP, did not know this.

1. If you pull a frag out and the HQ is later destroyed, will you have the frag piece and 30 days later the whole thing in KAR ?

2. Ahd this is just HQ than? Nothing else for SEAC ?

3. Are there other units for other commands this will happen to ?

ORIGINAL: KPAX

ORIGINAL: RUPD3658

ORIGINAL: KPAX

Also, those HQ are a huge plus. May want to grab those first, even before the ENGs.

SEAC HQs automatically return at Karachi 30 days after they are destroyed. Don't bother with these.

RUP, did not know this.

1. If you pull a frag out and the HQ is later destroyed, will you have the frag piece and 30 days later the whole thing in KAR ?

2. Ahd this is just HQ than? Nothing else for SEAC ?

3. Are there other units for other commands this will happen to ?

1) Yes, well the fragment will be whereever the fragment is.
2) Yes. Just HQ.
3) This will occur for any non-restricted command HQ unit. So USFFE and ABDA HQs die. Converting them to other commands (SW Pac for example) will do nothing for them. I always pull a fragment out of Asiatic Fleet and leave the rest. I know some people pull them all.

Edit: 2A) destroyed Chinese units return in Chungking. For Chinese units only ALL units are replaced (even infantry corps). Non-SEAC units appear in San Fran.

I always read "Shortlands", "Shortlands"...
Why is this base so important?

ORIGINAL: Historiker

I always read "Shortlands", "Shortlands"...
Why is this base so important?

I don't think the Shortlands is particularly important, it is just at the top of the slot in the Solomons, between Lunga (Henderson) and Rabaul and so has its significance. Owning Munda gives about the same advantage, closer to the center from both Lunga and Rabaul, which are very significant bases, more so in the real war I think. If the Japs controlled Lunga they had good bombing range to disrupt the lifeline from the U.S. to OZ. The U.S. landed troops on Guadalcanal once they found out the Japanese were building airstrips and the Island was hotly contended for three or four months as the Japanese also understood its value and sent many troops there to try to retake it.


Gibbons