In a game started under RHS 7.741, I loaded a UK armored unit at New Orleans. It was a 100% complete unit. It loaded onto two very large transports (with much room to spare), then was ordered to move through the channels (basically Atlantic ocean) to Durban, South Africa. After it disembarked I noticed it was a fragment "/3". I went back a couple of save files and the two transports each had "/1" and "/2". There is no parent unit anywhere in play. Because the save file shows that the transports already had only fragments while at sea, I presume the bug occurred during the loading sequence at New Orleans.
Is this a known bug? If it is a known bug, is there a work-around or something?
I only have save files going back to while the transports were at sea, I do not have any saves from before when they loaded (it's a long trip).
LCU Parent Disappears Upon Loading
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RE: LCU Parent Disappears Upon Loading
ORIGINAL: witpqs
In a game started under RHS 7.741, I loaded a UK armored unit at New Orleans. It was a 100% complete unit. It loaded onto two very large transports (with much room to spare), then was ordered to move through the channels (basically Atlantic ocean) to Durban, South Africa. After it disembarked I noticed it was a fragment "/3". I went back a couple of save files and the two transports each had "/1" and "/2". There is no parent unit anywhere in play. Because the save file shows that the transports already had only fragments while at sea, I presume the bug occurred during the loading sequence at New Orleans.
Is this a known bug? If it is a known bug, is there a work-around or something?
I only have save files going back to while the transports were at sea, I do not have any saves from before when they loaded (it's a long trip).
New Orleans? Durban? i think you have the wrong forum...
RE: LCU Parent Disappears Upon Loading
No, have a look at RHS Level 7.
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RE: LCU Parent Disappears Upon Loading
er... no thanks on the RHS...
OK, i thought you might be playing some other wargame (until you clarified that).
i am not sure about this one... it might require loading RHS, and sorry, no, i am not going to do that.
i'll check into it. Usually, in order to exactly replicate a bug, you have to be running everything the same (same version of WITP, same map, etc.) - otherwise, the turn does not replicate the same. And that means the bug will probably not show up, i.e. - the unit **probably** will NOT disappear as it does in your game (unless i load RHS 7).
Let us check first to see if there is any point in pursuing it: do you have NONFINALIZED SAVES of the turn just before the bug. If not, it is going to be extremely problematic to pursue this... i doubt the programmer will want to spend hours and hours on it to see if he can even locate the units in question.
EDIT - also will need the turn afterwards (non finalized again).
OK, i thought you might be playing some other wargame (until you clarified that).
i am not sure about this one... it might require loading RHS, and sorry, no, i am not going to do that.
i'll check into it. Usually, in order to exactly replicate a bug, you have to be running everything the same (same version of WITP, same map, etc.) - otherwise, the turn does not replicate the same. And that means the bug will probably not show up, i.e. - the unit **probably** will NOT disappear as it does in your game (unless i load RHS 7).
Let us check first to see if there is any point in pursuing it: do you have NONFINALIZED SAVES of the turn just before the bug. If not, it is going to be extremely problematic to pursue this... i doubt the programmer will want to spend hours and hours on it to see if he can even locate the units in question.
EDIT - also will need the turn afterwards (non finalized again).
RE: LCU Parent Disappears Upon Loading
Well, that's the problem I was outlining. I discovered the bug after the unit landed (disembarked in a friendly port). I have a save from before unloading which indicates that the problem almost certainly occurred during the loading. Unfortunately, it was a long sea journey and I do not have saves that far back. I realize the bug cannot be duplicated under those constraints. That's why I am mostly asking: Is this a known bug? If it is a known bug, is there a work-around or something?
The only thing I can do myself is check all TF's for future occurrences by finding the parent unit once loading is complete (the bug would be when there is no parent left!).
Part of what I am wondering is, if it's a new bug I better watch out and get a full report and save data for the team. If it's a known bug and the team has lots of data already, then I only need to watch out for it happening so I can fix my game.
And of course, if it's new, here is a report (even though it lacks save data).
The only thing I can do myself is check all TF's for future occurrences by finding the parent unit once loading is complete (the bug would be when there is no parent left!).
Part of what I am wondering is, if it's a new bug I better watch out and get a full report and save data for the team. If it's a known bug and the team has lots of data already, then I only need to watch out for it happening so I can fix my game.
And of course, if it's new, here is a report (even though it lacks save data).
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RE: LCU Parent Disappears Upon Loading
As far as i know, it is not a known bug.
It could be just a problem with the fragment numbering.
Once you unload the entire unit, the fragment number should reset (in a turn or so, at least) to the PARENT unit, even if the parent is lost (at least in current version of the game).
So, a couple of questions:
What version of WITP are you running (1.806 is the current version)?
How much of unit is missing?
DId the fragment reset to parent? If it did not, that implies the parent is floating around somewhere... check your units list, and if that fails, it may somehow be on another ship.
It could be just a problem with the fragment numbering.
Once you unload the entire unit, the fragment number should reset (in a turn or so, at least) to the PARENT unit, even if the parent is lost (at least in current version of the game).
So, a couple of questions:
What version of WITP are you running (1.806 is the current version)?
How much of unit is missing?
DId the fragment reset to parent? If it did not, that implies the parent is floating around somewhere... check your units list, and if that fails, it may somehow be on another ship.
RE: LCU Parent Disappears Upon Loading
I'm running the newest version 1.806 (I think it's actually a hot fix of that version or something). Game was started under the same version.
- The unit was 100% at the loading port.
- It loaded onto two ships (big ones).
- The TF sat there with Do Not Unload orders until loading was done.
- The unit was gone from the base when loading was finished.
- Only then was the TF given movement orders.
- There were no other TF's loading troops in the same port at the same time.
- The TF was left on Do Not Unload until it arrived at it's destination.
- After the TF unloaded completely, the unit (on land at destination port) is labeled as fragment /3. The two ships are empty.
- A search of the G screen (Ground units) shows no parent or other fragment in existence.
- A search of the T screen (Task Forces) for TF carrying troops revealed no other TF with said unit's parent or other fragments loaded (I did this because LCU's being transported by sea do not show up on the G screen).
- Opening a save from three days prior (while the TF was still en route) showed the unit loaded on the two AP's in the TF, as fragments /1 and /2. A search similar to above revealed no parent.
I am unsure exactly how much of the unit is present, best memory says the unit had 87 assault value before loading. It has 37 after unloading. Because the unit arrives well into the game, it would take a very long time to re-run a test (new load of the scenario) and see it's real arrival condition. I can load a new run of the same scenario and get the arrival OB of the unit from the reinforcements screen and compare it line by line with the units current OB. Would that be helpful to you?
- The unit was 100% at the loading port.
- It loaded onto two ships (big ones).
- The TF sat there with Do Not Unload orders until loading was done.
- The unit was gone from the base when loading was finished.
- Only then was the TF given movement orders.
- There were no other TF's loading troops in the same port at the same time.
- The TF was left on Do Not Unload until it arrived at it's destination.
- After the TF unloaded completely, the unit (on land at destination port) is labeled as fragment /3. The two ships are empty.
- A search of the G screen (Ground units) shows no parent or other fragment in existence.
- A search of the T screen (Task Forces) for TF carrying troops revealed no other TF with said unit's parent or other fragments loaded (I did this because LCU's being transported by sea do not show up on the G screen).
- Opening a save from three days prior (while the TF was still en route) showed the unit loaded on the two AP's in the TF, as fragments /1 and /2. A search similar to above revealed no parent.
I am unsure exactly how much of the unit is present, best memory says the unit had 87 assault value before loading. It has 37 after unloading. Because the unit arrives well into the game, it would take a very long time to re-run a test (new load of the scenario) and see it's real arrival condition. I can load a new run of the same scenario and get the arrival OB of the unit from the reinforcements screen and compare it line by line with the units current OB. Would that be helpful to you?
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RE: LCU Parent Disappears Upon Loading
Since no one else has reported such an incident, i think it is *probably* a glitch, i.e. - an isolated incident, not a systemic problem...
It depends how much time you have to burn/spare... it seems like it would be a lot of trouble for something that probably won't replicate. People are always loading/unloading ships in the game, and i haven't heard of a recurring problem.
Possibly it is related to the mod (although, i don't see that as likely).
Of course, now that this is posted, maybe tons of similar reports will come in.
i think folks should just keep their eyes open to see if this is happening any more, and report it if it does.
It depends how much time you have to burn/spare... it seems like it would be a lot of trouble for something that probably won't replicate. People are always loading/unloading ships in the game, and i haven't heard of a recurring problem.
Possibly it is related to the mod (although, i don't see that as likely).
Of course, now that this is posted, maybe tons of similar reports will come in.
i think folks should just keep their eyes open to see if this is happening any more, and report it if it does.
RE: LCU Parent Disappears Upon Loading
Thank you. I'll be taking the step I mentioned above (checking all troop TF's after they load). If it crops up again I 'should' be on top of it with a before save and maybe additional information.
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RE: LCU Parent Disappears Upon Loading
ORIGINAL: witpqs
Thank you. I'll be taking the step I mentioned above (checking all troop TF's after they load). If it crops up again I 'should' be on top of it with a before save and maybe additional information.
Excellent!! i'll be sure to check my units as well (well, more carefully - i usually check them anyway).
RE: LCU Parent Disappears Upon Loading
Irresistible curiosity caused me to load the scenario and check in the Ground Reinforcement screen.
UK 7th Armored Tank Bde
The unit as transported arrived with (my own abbreviations, forgive me):
Item--------Arrived------Started with
=====================================
Grant----------13---------56
Stuart I-------12---------56
Bren Carrier---16---------16
Brit 41 RS------9----------9
Brit 41 SapS----3----------3
3in Mortar------6----------6
2pdr AT---------8----------8
18pdr How-------6----------6
Mot Supp------140--------140
So, most of the armor vanished, which explains the bulk of combat power being gone.
UK 7th Armored Tank Bde
The unit as transported arrived with (my own abbreviations, forgive me):
Item--------Arrived------Started with
=====================================
Grant----------13---------56
Stuart I-------12---------56
Bren Carrier---16---------16
Brit 41 RS------9----------9
Brit 41 SapS----3----------3
3in Mortar------6----------6
2pdr AT---------8----------8
18pdr How-------6----------6
Mot Supp------140--------140
So, most of the armor vanished, which explains the bulk of combat power being gone.
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RE: LCU Parent Disappears Upon Loading
Little known fact is that both the Grant and Stuart tanks were made from water-soluble steel, and often would dissolve in transport on ships. [X(] [:'(]
RE: LCU Parent Disappears Upon Loading
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