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This seems similar to Hearts of Iron 2 and its add-on's. I enjoyed that grand strategic wargame very much. Can anyone comment on the similarities or differences. Do you think I should pick this one up [:)]

Looks very good from the write ups and reviews.

Any comments?

Thx Guys.

I like it. Very different from HOI though. Not nearly as complicated, has many more operational atributes than HOI, etc.

The closest comparison is Strategic Command. I have been playing that since the original was released and this game could be a lot better a few patches down the road.


I say buy it. The game is very good, but you will encounter the occasional problem.

hmm OK have Strategic Command ok nothing great though. Interesting you say that HOI is more complicated. Do you mean that this is more of a beer and pretzel type game.........which is fine but I'm looking for realism with some detail involved in the units and environment. Not sure if this will provide me with that level of detail I love
 
Will have to keep reading and see [:)]
 
 

The game has a few neat twists. For example, using the oil consumption rule and playing the Axis, you will find yourself measuring your moves very carefully. You will also find yourself coveting the oil hexes on the map. I'll give you an example. My second game I went into 1942 having conquered most of Europe and having launched Barbarossa pretty much on schedule. Took Moscow and was ready to launch a knock-out punch against the Russians with a drive to Perm. Couldn't do it though. Not enough oil. I was forced into a southern offensive into the Cacusus to take the oil fields first. I was amazed at how I was put into a historical situation that resulted in a historical solution.

As far as exact unit modeling, etc., is concerned, not really my bag, especially in a game of this scope.

ORIGINAL: Bossy573

I say buy it. The game is very good, but you will encounter the occasional problem.

Occasional problem???

The game is definitely very different than HOI/HOI2. I would say there is no guarantee you will like it if you are looking for that kind of game.

Retract this comment.

There is PBEM feedback, and we are working to improve it, but it is not working how Targul wanted, hence his post.

ORIGINAL: LarryP

Occasional problem???

It has its fair share, no doubt about it. But I'm still enjoying the game. [;)]

CEaW is similar to alot of WW2 games but all have their own focus which is good. Some have advanced diplomacy, some have a light empire building feeling to them and some have lots of detailed decision making for those who like micromanagement.

If you want light diplomacy, light management but advanced combat rules and large (operational feeling) map then CEaW is the closest game.

Whether the game is good or bad I cannot say being biased, so that is up to the customers [8D]

Retract this comment by me.

ORIGINAL: Bossy573

ORIGINAL: LarryP

Occasional problem???

It has its fair share, no doubt about it. But I'm still enjoying the game. [;)]

OK. I guess I haven't played it long enough to find any... yet. [;)]

Are we allowed to Upload or send out the Game Manual without breaking the Terms of Service? I think a lot of players on the ropes about buying the game (no Demo available) would love to read the manual for some game play insight.

Romulus

Well if you are looking for HOI type of game then , you might find this a bit light for you but it is a really a very fun , addictive game.

Easy to get into and enough depth to keep playing and though the AI is a bit easy now but one thing you can be sure that the developer is trying their best to work things out

Regarding the PBEM ,personally the replay thing don't really bother me as the important thing is what current situation I am in now instead of the past action and the PBEM feedback is good enough for me though it does not hurt to have some extra info

Finally this is one of the best game i bought so far this year and with few more patches , it will become a classic

Cheers



Cheers

i am learning HOI2 right now and all i can say is ....who in the hell made this monster. Everytime i think i figired something out two more things pop up. i cant even see playin this against another person. i typically pause evry day at noon just to make sure all is going as expected. I am chiming in here because while i enjoy a challenge , i also enjoy a game that i dont have to think too much aka PG. This looks like that sort of game , but i am reading about now email replay and Carrier vs Fighters are a few sticky issues.
What i would like to know ..............is this game worth buying NOW!! I need a new easy game to play around with . My question........CEAW or SC2? Which is it and why.

well if possible get both )  There is a demo for SC2 for you to try out

This 2 games are made  for people like you and me who want to play wargames but need a casual  wargame and just enough depth to continue on

If you have to made a choice , I do go for CEAW now as SC2 3D and tiles instead of hex get some minus point here

For SC2 , you can wait for the new expansion warfae and weapons , see how things turn out ...

Cheers

Why do squares vs hexes get minus points? As long as it's turn based should be all that matters. Squares just give more tactical play value vs hexes. You have double flanks and/or double rears and infilade left and infilade right. Also since I'm pretty upset with Battlefront and their last two kiddy clickfest releases I'd advise Commander:Europe at War. But, if you want my ultimate advice and a game that gives you more bang for your buck I'd get Tillers Campaigns by Matrixgames. Oodles and Oodles of play value and longevity vs these other two you are asking about. Thing about operational games is pretty much once you've played one you've played them all, but, tactical games now there's value and longevity because each and every battle is different. And tactical is just more fun to play.

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Squares just give more tactical play value vs hexes.

That has to be the most bizzare logic I have ever encountered. Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is just the opposite.

He means that a square can be attacked from eight directions and a hex from six, so yes there are more tactical possibilities (more ways to deploy your troops against the enemy).

The way we thought of it with using hexes or squares is that the square has more directions so the combinations increase but it also affects the rule set in a negative way. Basically with more directions, front line, supply routes and other rules have to fit so that it is not too easy to surround units or outflank enemy or gang up lots of units on one adjacent unit.

On a tile based map you need more units to fill a front line. In Commander Europe at War since we use retreat rules you can still break a enemy front line and advance so we do not need tiles in order to provide extra angles of attack.

So, it is a complex thing but we are convinced that hexes are better for this type of 20th century front line war game.