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education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:21 am
by leftydad
I, for one, bought the game. Then I bought THE FIRST WORLD WAR: THE COMPLETE 4 DVD SET. Now the book, THE GUNS OF AUGUST.

So, it’s turning into quite the education.

Anybody recommend any other reading/viewing to supplement enjoyment of this great game?

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:40 am
by Hanal
I have to admit, that I always found the Tuchman book a bit dry...Martin Gilbert's The First World War is a good read and he injects a human element to has narrative....I do not know if it is still easy to find but the old CBS series, WWI with Robert Ryan as a narrarator is an excellent documentary too...

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:45 am
by AZKGungHo
My favorite book on how the first world war started is:
Dreadnought (Paperback) [/b]
by Robert K. Massie

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:48 am
by SMK-at-work
http://www.military.com/Resources/HistorySubmittedFileView?file=History_Maps.htm - West point maps - check out the WW1 section!
 
They're also available at http://www.firstworldwar.com/index.htm - an excellent site on the war that combines all sorts of sources
 
I have also just ordered a couple of 1920's era works on the Russian economy of WW1 - fairly cheap at a total US$80-ish

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:53 am
by flintlock
That's a great WWI documentary series, I own it myself. Insofar as books are concerned, last year I read Ferguson's The Pity of War, which I really enjoyed. As a nice casual reference source, I have Willmott's World War I (it's a DK book).

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:09 am
by SteveD64
I own two Atlases of WWI, Arthur Banks Military Atlas of WWI and The Routledge Atlas of the 1st World War (Martin Gilbert).  The later has very boring maps but tons of facts (ie number of water tanks India produced during the war).  Also has the British plans for the 1915 seaborne invasion of Germany which I will spring upon unwary Guns of August players.  They don't have narratives of the war but both are good for dry facts.  Both were cheap.

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:20 am
by sol_invictus
I picked up a DVD series titled" Trench", at BestBuy many months ago and it is really nice. I actually enjoy it more than the Strachan DVDs. I also enjoyed "The First World War" by John Keegan, "The Defeat of Imperial Germany" by Rod Paschall, and "Stormtroop Tactics" by Bruce Gudmundsson.

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:47 am
by Alan_Bernardo
The World Undone is good, and so is Keegan's book.  Tuchman is always a good read; and for a short book, Taylor's illustrated account of WWWI is interesting.

I don't watch movies, generally, and always prefer a book.

Alan

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:38 am
by Andreus
The sad truth is that no one has already written a global history of the first world war. What we have got until now are some excellent histories of the "western front" with a general overview of the others.

Perhaps this may sound too harsh to my english-speaking friends but being italian I am always struck by the amount of pure nonsense written about the alpine front. This always makes me wonder how much of the part regarding the balkans and russia is accurate and sound. I guess almost nothing.(In this regard Martin Gilbert's The First World War is probably the worst of the bunch)


RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:45 am
by modrow
An interesting view is presented in Niall Ferguson's "The pity of war". It's not that much of a description of the combat action, but illustrates a lot of background info from economy to sociology and the like.

Hartwig

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:12 am
by Heartland
I was flipping through The Somme by Peter Hart at a bookstore the other day, and it looked excellent. Quite a massive tome that seemed well-written and with detailed and clear maps.

After a bit of further reading of reviews and comments, I have decided to pick it up. Apparently Hart works at the audio department at the Imperial War Museum, and has trawled through the archives for a lot of unrealeased stories and eyewitness reports by veterans of the event. Should be an interesting read.

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:18 am
by hjaco
See my comment on another thread by SMK-at-work about Hew Strachan's The First World War books - it taught me a lot of what was going on "behind the curtain".

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:41 am
by Aurelian

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:29 pm
by themattcurtis
My idea was to find what looked like a well-regarded single volume treatment of the war, and then follow that up with 1 book covering each specific campaign in more detail.

So I got A World Undone.

Gallipoli by Alan Moorehead

The Osprey book on the WWI Med. Theater.

Castles of Steel by Massie goes into naval aspect of WWI

And the woman bought me a large, glossy covered paper back which, while it doesn't go into depth on anything, offers a TON of neat images and factoids. I'll post the title later. But one of the things that truck me during my first peak was a photo of the helmets worn by tank crews. They looked like something out of the middle ages (metal plates and bug-eyed goggles) that were used to protect them from the metal slivers caused by armor penetration.

I just snapped up Tannenberg 1914 for $9. And there's that old 1930s treatment of the Marne campaign that's on my wish list.


RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:19 pm
by EUBanana
1918 : The Last Act is a pretty good read about the Western Front in 1918, which saw some pretty momentous events, the Spring Offensive, Belleau Wood etc.

Theres a book by Holger H Herwig whose title I forget unfortunately [:(] which gives a very good account of the war from the point of view of the Central Powers.

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:27 pm
by SteveD64
Yes the Herwig book is fantastic!  Has more info on Austria than any other book in English that I can think of.

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:59 pm
by anarchyintheuk
ORIGINAL: Andreus

Perhaps this may sound too harsh to my english-speaking friends but being italian I am always struck by the amount of pure nonsense written about the alpine front. This always makes me wonder how much of the part regarding the balkans and russia is accurate and sound. I guess almost nothing.(In this regard Martin Gilbert's The First World War is probably the worst of the bunch)

Part of the problem with those areas are that the native speakers didn't seem particularly interested in writing histories of either their country's role in the war or the front in which they were involved, especially right after the event. Some of it was because of disassociation w/ the war after it was over either because of its causes, how the country performed or whether it even existed. Russia lost, suffered a humiliating peace treaty, had a new government, was fighting a civil war and preparing to invade Poland. Can't imagine too many writers in that country concerned w/ researching the role of the Tsar's army or Russia's role in WWI. Italy felt it was shafted at Versailles and weren't too successful during the war in any event. Let's face it, how much fun would it be to write about the x number of battles of the Isonzo or Caporetto. They also didn't have an outstanding political or military figure (Diaz excepted) to write about. AH - ceased to exist and the countries that it was formerly composed of preferred to write about their own histories, either stressing their independent history (if they had one) or marginalizing the role of their involvement in the AH empire. Serbia ceased to exist, Bulgaria and Turkey lost. So you end up w/ very little original documentation of those fronts by those closest to it and no continuing scholastic tradition of debate on the subject. No scholastic debate, no controversy. No controversy, no writing. Nothing spurs writers like controversy . . . well, that and publishing to pay the mortgage or get tenure.

I also liked both of Massie's books.

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:46 pm
by diesel7013
Both Massie books -
 
Dreadnaught and Castles of Steel - those are must reads regarding WWI - the personalities, the why and how - and I still can't read about the East Asia Squadrons escape from the Pacific only to die off the Falklands without getting choked up... 

RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:35 pm
by Andreus
to anarchyintheuk

In part I agree, this expecially true for Russia, a lot has been lost in the revolution and then covered up by the communist regime. The language barrier is another problem. I still hope one day to read a well reaseached history of the eastern front.

Regarding the italian-austrian front, thousands of books have been written in Italy from 1918 onwards. It's not uncommon for a bookstore to have a dedicated section with plenty about the Isonzo battles and the war in the Alps. I know at least five publishers specialized in this topic. Even the battle of Caporetto has been analyzed in the finest detail and not a few a these books are of astounding quality.

Here the problem seems one of language barrier or perhaps simply laziness. Perhaps the publishers believe that there's not market abroad for their books. I don't know.


RE: education

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:23 pm
by themattcurtis
ORIGINAL: diesel7013

Both Massie books -

Dreadnaught and Castles of Steel - those are must reads regarding WWI - the personalities, the why and how - and I still can't read about the East Asia Squadrons escape from the Pacific only to die off the Falklands without getting choked up... 

Same reason Churchill credits the whole thing as one of the saddes episodes in the entire war.

90% of the men, German and British, who served in Craddock's and Spee's squadrons ended up dying within a month of each other.