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Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:04 pm
by Cavalry Corp
Should I think about moving production over from the Tony or Tojo to Jack
Its March 43 and the Jack will soon appear do I need three IJAF fighters and why ?
Is the Jack the best one and why ?
I still have good pilots with units mostly 70+ exp some over 80 a few around 60
PDU on Stock 42-46 campaign
Michael
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:18 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Jack's Navy, not Army...
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:19 pm
by jwilkerson
Well the Army flies the Tony and Tojo and the Navy flies the Jack .. so I wouldn't switch over either way ... I'd run both sets. Uh I DO run both sets!
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:39 pm
by Cavalry Corp
oh my mistake - so the Navy can go from Zeros to jacks .....
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:40 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Land-based IJNAF, yeah... Not carrier-based. And the Jack is worth it.
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:11 pm
by jwilkerson
ORIGINAL: cavalry
oh my mistake - so the Navy can go from Zeros to jacks .....
Yes, but maybe not all Zeros should go to Jacks. The Jacks have much shorter legs and so the Zeros are still the pre-emminent Betty/Frances escorts. But I've converted about half in my current game with Moses.
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:21 pm
by SireChaos
ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
ORIGINAL: cavalry
oh my mistake - so the Navy can go from Zeros to jacks .....
Yes, but maybe not all Zeros should go to Jacks. The Jacks have much shorter legs and so the Zeros are still the pre-emminent Betty/Frances escorts. But I've converted about half in my current game with Moses.
But the Jack has the not insignificant advantage of being built using Mitsubishi engines - not Nakajima engines as almost all other fighters. So producing many Jacks does not take away any engines from the production of Army fighters (or carrier-based Zeroes). And considering that you can build 2 Jacks for the engines you´d build 1 medium bomber with, you do not cut all that significantly into bomber production, either.
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:22 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Yup... It's all a trade-off...
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:09 pm
by m10bob
Tojo and Jack are both great climbers IRL and should be used where hi flying B 29's are expected..
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:30 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Unless of course Frank's around to play... Or Shinden...
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:19 am
by niceguy2005
ORIGINAL: m10bob
Tojo and Jack are both great climbers IRL and should be used where hi flying B 29's are expected..
I don't know if its the pilots or what but so far Jacks are proving to be a real bitch in my game. My P-38 squadrons get no joy from facing off against them.
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:21 am
by Cavalry Corp
So the climb rate is v important ?
M
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:23 am
by DuckofTindalos
It's one of the important characteristics, certainly. Speed is probably the most important one.
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:20 am
by m10bob
IRL climb and speed are very important.
The reason climb rate is (to pilots) the most important is that all planes lose altitude anytime they make a turn. To turn a plane, without losing altitude, a pilot generally will push the throttle forward to feed more fuel, and pull ever so slightly back on the stick, (to keep the plane in a climbing mode, while turning.
The more maneuverable planes will generally have an abulity to turn longer before they lose their altitude and or speed sufficient to stall out.
This is why in WW1 a Fokker Dr1 triplane which only flew at 103 mph (on a good day) was a match for a SPAD 13 with a speed of 137, (truly one of the fastest planes of that war).
BTW, some folks don't know that in WW1 some of the German planes had a little wing between the landing wheels, which of themselves were sufficient to carry the weight of the pilot! The Fokker D 7 comes to mind, as does the D 8..
That little wing was considered a "secret weapon" as important as the later F 86's "floating tailplane"..
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:41 pm
by Cavalry Corp
Thanks for that- interesting
m
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:43 pm
by Apollo11
Hi all,
ORIGINAL: cavalry
Should I think about moving production over from the Tony or Tojo to Jack
Its March 43 and the Jack will soon appear do I need three IJAF fighters and why ?
Is the Jack the best one and why ?
I still have good pilots with units mostly 70+ exp some over 80 a few around 60
PDU on Stock 42-46 campaign
Michael
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Aircraft Entry Upgrade to Replacement Type Navy/Army
Date Date
A5M4 Claude Jan-37 A2M2 Zero Sep-40 Fighter Navy
A6M2 Zero Sep-40 A6M3a Zero Nov-42 Fighter Navy
A6M3 Zero Apr-42 A6M5 Zeke Sep-43 Fighter Navy
A6M3a Zero Nov-42 A6M5 Zeke Sep-43 Fighter Navy
A6M5 Zeke Sep-43 A6M8 Zeke Jun-45 Fighter Navy
A6M8 Zeke Jun-45 A7M2 Reppu Jul-45 Fighter Navy
A7M2 Reppu Jul-45 A7M2 Reppu Jul-45 Fighter Navy
N1K1-J George Jan-44 J7W Shinden Aug-45 Fighter Navy
J2M Jack Mar-43 J7W Shinden Aug-45 Fighter Navy
J7W Shinden Aug-45 J7W Shinden Aug-45 Fighter Navy
A6M2-N Ruffe Dec-41 A6M2-N Ruffe Dec-41 Float Fighter Navy
A6M5c Zeke Sep-43 A6M5c Zeke Sep-43 Fighter Bomber Navy
J1N1-S Irving Sep-43 C6N1-S Myrt Sep-44 Night Fighter Navy
C6N1-S Myrt Sep-44 C6N1-S Myrt Sep-44 Night Fighter Navy
D1A Susie Jan-39 D3A Val Jan-39 Dive Bomber Navy
D3A Val Jan-39 D4Y Judy Nov-43 Dive Bomber Navy
D4Y Judy Nov-43 D4Y Judy Nov-43 Dive Bomber Navy
B4Y Jean Jan-39 B5N Kate Jan-39 Torpedo Bomber Navy
B5N Kate Jan-39 B6N Jill Dec-43 Torpedo Bomber Navy
B6N Jill Dec-43 B7A Grace Jun-44 Torpedo Bomber Navy
B7A Grace Jun-44 B7A Grace Jun-44 Torpedo Bomber Navy
G3M Nell Jan-36 G4M1 Betty Jun-41 Level Bomber Navy
G4M1 Betty Jun-41 G4M2 Betty Jul-43 Level Bomber Navy
G4M2 Betty Jul-43 G4M2 Betty Jul-43 Level Bomber Navy
G4M2e Betty Oct-44 G4M2e Betty Oct-44 Level Bomber Navy
P1Y Frances Dec-43 P1Y Frances Dec-43 Level Bomber Navy
J1N1-R Irving Oct-42 C6N Myrt Mar-44 Recon Navy
C5M Babs Jan-39 J1N1-R Irving Oct-42 Recon Navy
C6N Myrt Mar-44 C6N Myrt Mar-44 Recon Navy
H6K4 Mavis Jan-41 H8K Emily Jan-42 Patrol Navy
H8K Emily Jan-42 H8K Emily Jan-42 Patrol Navy
H6K2-L Mavis Jan-41 H6K2 - L Mavis Jan-41 Transport Navy
L1N1 Thora Jan-36 L1N1 Thora Jan-36 Transport Navy
L3Y Tina Jan-36 L3Y Tina Jan-36 Transport Navy
L2D2 Tabby Jan-41 L2D2 Tabby Jan-41 Transport Navy
E7K2 Alf Jan-39 E7K2 Alf Jan-39 Float Navy
E8N Dave Jan-38 E13A1 Jake Oct-41 Float Navy
F1M2 Pete Jan-41 F1M2 Pete Jan-41 Float Navy
E13A1 Jake Oct-41 E13A1 Jake Oct-41 Float Navy
E14Y1 Glen Sep-41 E14Y1 Glen Sep-41 Float Navy
Ki-27 Nate Jan-37 Ki-43-IIa Oscar Jan-43 Fighter Army
Ki-43-Ib Oscar Dec-41 Ki-61 KA1c Tony Aug-42 Fighter Army
Ki-43-IIa Oscar Jan-43 Ki-43-IIa Oscar Jan-43 Fighter Army
Ki-44 IIb Tojo Aug-42 Ki-84-Ia Frank Aug-44 Fighter Army
Ki-46 III Dinah Oct-44 Ki-102a Randy Jul-44 Fighter Army
Ki-61 KA1c Tony Aug-42 Ki-100 Tony Feb-45 Fighter Army
Ki-84-Ia Frank Aug-44 Ki-84-Ic Frank Dec-44 Fighter Army
Ki-84-Ic Frank Dec-44 Ki-84-Ic Frank Dec-44 Fighter Army
Ki-100 Tony Feb-45 Ki-100 Tony Feb-45 Fighter Army
Ki-45 KAIb Nick Jan-43 Ki-102a Randy Jul-44 Fighter Bomber Army
Ki-102a Randy Jul-44 Ki-102a Randy Jul-44 Fighter Bomber Army
Ki-45 KAIa Nick Dec-42 Ki-45 KA1c Nick Apr-44 Night Fighter Army
Ki-45 KAIc Nick Apr-44 Ki-45 KA1c Nick Apr-44 Night Fighter Army
Ki-30 Ann Jan-39 Ki-51 Sonia Jan-39 Dive Bomber Army
Ki-32 Mary Jan-39 Ki-48 Lily Jan-40 Dive Bomber Army
Ki-51 Sonia Jan-39 Ki-51 Sonia Jan-39 Dive Bomber Army
Ki-21 Sally Jan-38 Ki-67 Peggy Oct-44 Level Bomber Army
Ki-48 Lily Jan-40 Ki-102a Randy Jul-44 Level Bomber Army
Ki-49 Helen Dec-41 Ki-67 Peggy Oct-44 Level Bomber Army
Ki-67 Peggy Oct-44 Ki-67 Peggy Oct-44 Level Bomber Army
Ki-36 Ida Jan-39 Ki-36 Ida Jan-39 Recon Army
Ki-15 Babs Jan-39 Ki-46 II Dinah Jun-41 Recon Army
Ki-46 II Dinah Jun-41 Ki-46 III Dinah Jan-43 Recon Army
Ki-46 III Dinah Jan-43 Ki-46 III Dinah Jan-43 Recon Army
Ki-57 II Topsy Jan-41 Ki-57 II Topsy Jan-41 Transport Army
Ki-59 Theresa Jan-41 Ki-54 Hickory Jan-41 Transport Army
MC-21 Sally Jan-38 MC-21 Sally Jan-38 Transport Army
Ki-54 Hickory Jan-41 Ki-54 Hickory Jan-41 Transport Army
Leo "Apollo11"
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:26 pm
by Cavalry Corp
OK nice list I have printed it off
M
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:43 am
by Apollo11
Hi all,
ORIGINAL: cavalry
OK nice list I have printed it off
M
Glad that you like it... I made the list years ago... [:)]
Leo "Apollo11"
RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:26 pm
by Rybeck
In CHS the Ki-61-IIKAIb becomes available in Jan 1944. The stats of this (improved Tony?) plane are much better than the original Tony especially the gun value of 16.
In fact, its stats seem almost comparable to the Frank which becomes available in May 1944. I guess it should be worthwhile to convert original Tonys to this improved version until Franks become available, even if it's only for about 4 months or so.
Also, in CHS both Tony and Tojo have the same gun value of 12. Tojo is 8mph faster, but Tony is 2 points better in both maneuverability and durability, and 1 hex extra range. Apart from the Tojo's great altitude/climb, is there any good reason to build large numbers of Tojos?
I've read that Tojo is a better fighter killer, and Tony is better with bombers, but it seems that's only for stock. Certainly, the CHS stats indicate (to me at least) that Tony is a better all-round plane?
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RE: Jack Tony Tojo
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:01 pm
by Yamato hugger
Except for the fact that converting Tojos to Franks is an over night process and Tonys to Franks takes weeks/months. If all you are looking at is raw airplane data, then yes, Tony is better. Strategically the Tojo is. Build both, I do. But I build 5 times as many Tojos as Tonys.