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Real Players Careers Ending Too Soon
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:13 pm
by StefanG
Need some help. I'm simulating a league with real-players, its 2001 Barry Bonds is 37 years old and its the year he hit 73 home runs (in real-life); however, he continues to stay "worn out" regardless of the amount of rest received. I assume the game engine has calculated that his career is essentially over; however, in real-life he obviously has several more good years left. Is there anyway for me to fix/resolve this via the database, xml, or any other method before I simulate the 2001 season without Bonds? The same thing happened to McGwire in 2000.
Thanks in advance.
RE: Real Players Careers Ending Too Soon
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:07 pm
by LetsPlay2
Wonder if Shaun will put a "enhancement" button in the 2008 edition. It will probably be "clear" [;)]
RE: Real Players Careers Ending Too Soon
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:54 pm
by KG Erwin
Actually, I'd think with improved conditioning and "other factors" (ahem), modern-era players should be peaking later than they did 20 or 30 years ago. I remember reading in the manual that the average "peak age" in PS was 28. Of course, actual mileage may vary. [;)]
It's easy to make jokes about substance abuse (especially after 1970 or so -- wasn't there a Pirates pitcher that pitched a no-hitter while tripping on acid?).
However, the fact of the matter is that most professional athletes are better conditioned now, so the age factor shouldn't play as big of a role as it once did.
RE: Real Players Careers Ending Too Soon
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:42 am
by CrashDavis
...so the age factor shouldn't play as big of a role as it once did.
I don't if I agree or not KG. If you mean, the age factor - and how it affects the 'peak age' of PS players - could stand to be tweaked for the modern-era of baseball, then I agree and would like to see the peak age of modern players be a bit older than 28. Maybe a peak of 32?
RE: Real Players Careers Ending Too Soon
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:59 pm
by StefanG
Does anyone know if there is anyway to "tweak" it?
RE: Real Players Careers Ending Too Soon
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:38 pm
by Bustoff
ORIGINAL: KG Erwin
It's easy to make jokes about substance abuse (especially after 1970 or so -- wasn't there a Pirates pitcher that pitched a no-hitter while tripping on acid?).
Dock Ellis claims to have done this on June 12, 1970. Details on this and other Dock Ellis weirdness can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_Ellis
Interestingly, his name expressed "roster style" is Ellis, D. Say it out loud once.[X(]
RE: Real Players Careers Ending Too Soon
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:21 pm
by KG Erwin
ORIGINAL: Bustoff
Interestingly, his name expressed "roster style" is Ellis, D. Say it out loud once.[X(]
[:D]
RE: Real Players Careers Ending Too Soon
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:31 pm
by KG Erwin
ORIGINAL: CrashDavis
Maybe a peak of 32?
Yes, say from 1985 or 1990 forward to now? Would be a nice tweak to add to PS 2008.
As a matter of fact, Shaun could alter the potential peak by two-year increments: 28-30-32.
This notion could spark some discussion.
RE: Real Players Careers Ending Too Soon
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:00 am
by Frozen Stiffer
I think that's a great idea-- give the user a drop-down menu with the various peak age options for them to select for their association. However, that would only work if you allow that option to be changed at a later date.
For example, if you start an association at a time when 28 would be a logical peak, then you set it that way. However, if you play it long enough that you come around to a more 'modern' peak range, you could then change it at that point to reflect the newer figures.
RE: Real Players Careers Ending Too Soon
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:14 am
by puresimmer
I'll have one more look, but all analysis I have done still strongly supports players typically peak at 28 even in today's era. Bonds is most certainly an anomaly.
That said, I made some changes a few patches back to force a players true historical longevity to have a mjor influence on his retirement in PureSim. For outliers like Bonds, this leads to him playing a much longer career, so the original post in this thread should be handled now.
RE: Real Players Careers Ending Too Soon
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:05 pm
by StefanG
Bonds hasn't retired which is good and his stats are still what I'd expect them to be, the problem is his fatigue level. It seems that once a player reaches the age of 36 or 37, they stay in a "worn out" state no matter how much rest they receive, so they get very little opportunity to be on the field regardless of how good he may still be.
RE: Real Players Careers Ending Too Soon
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:12 pm
by LetsPlay2
I wonder if changing his age would work ??
I did that with Lefty O'Doul. I retired him as a pitcher, then I imported him as a player in his first player year. He was 32 by then. When he started he was 22 in 1919. I changed his age to 22. he won, before I stopped, 3 batting titles and his potential stayed high.