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Summary of results from Leo's ASW stock test:

4 squadrons on full range ASW at 1000 feet over 30 turns:

9xH8K - 0 hits
27xG4M1 - 0 hits
27xJake - 1 hit
27xHelen - 30+ hits

There appears to be a problem with torp armed planes using bombs against subs? I have run this test several times and the results are always similar to above.

ORIGINAL: matchwood

Summary of results from Leo's ASW stock test:

4 squadrons on full range ASW at 1000 feet over 30 turns:

9xH8K - 0 hits
27xG4M1 - 0 hits
27xJake - 1 hit
27xHelen - 30+ hits

There appears to be a problem with torp armed planes using bombs against subs? I have run this test several times and the results are always similar to above.

No, all planes carry bombs when set to 'ASW' This setting also halves the range setting.

Ok...so you don't see any problem with these results then?

ORIGINAL: matchwood

Summary of results from Leo's ASW stock test:

4 squadrons on full range ASW at 1000 feet over 30 turns:

9xH8K - 0 hits
27xG4M1 - 0 hits
27xJake - 1 hit
27xHelen - 30+ hits

There appears to be a problem with torp armed planes using bombs against subs? I have run this test several times and the results are always similar to above.

How many subs were in the area? I assume they were stationary?

ORIGINAL: matchwood

Ok...so you don't see any problem with these results then?

I certainly do see a problem. Only the Jake's short range (3 hexes for ASW) can explain his poor performance (depending on how many subs had been within range). The Betty (ASW range 10) and Emily (ASW range 12) should hit at least as many subs as the Helen (ASW range 4). Both have torpedoes as 'primary' weapon, but apparently are not able to use their 'replacement' bombs against subs.

BTW, because of the decrease in range most players have stopped using the ASW setting altogether and spot subs using the naval search setting.

Not me. I use the heck out of my Helens for ASW. Once a sub is spotted, it is doomed to the face swarms of high experienced Helens and ASW groups built around my APD's.
 
 The allies have any ship with a depth charge, I have my Helens.[:D]

All things equal: "We have a problem Houston"

I went out with a girl called Helen in my youth, fair maiden but she couldn't spot my sub for toffee , vast amounts of beer and boiled eggs cured that problem, fair winds.

ronnie

There is a problem with Nells/betties, Emily, Kate etc.  I have tried naval search and ASW but never achieved a hit with any torp armed plane in the 18 months of my current game.  They launch attacks, but never hit.  They also never hit shipping during the search phase.

1st thought, a squadron (27 Betties) searching a radius of 600miles is covering a lot of territory, its chance of finding a sub (without top rate ASW gear) is minimal, maybe it suppresses through forcing it to dive rather than combat it. Maybe fiddle with the height settings, a bit higher may be better? Does it carry fewer, larger bombs?

But the Jakes should be more effective?, but IMHO searching out to 240miles with 27 slow floatplanes isnt very efficient.

I dont know what range the Helen covers, does it carry more, smaller bombs?

I'm totally unsurprised that the 9 Emily's covering a radius of 720miles doesnt do much. (1,627,776sq miles or 180,864sq miles each)

For those of you not familiar with Leo's excelent test scenario:

tm.asp?m=967245

Have just redone the test with the standard armament for Betty's and H8K set to bombs - results were comparable to the KI-49, possibly slightly less because of a lower manuver, but hits none the less.

Conclusion: ASW bomb equipping for planes with a primary armament of torps is faulty. Until it is fixed some players might want to change the default armament for the H8K?

Hi all,

Nice test guys - thanks!


Leo "Apollo11"

ORIGINAL: matchwood

Conclusion: ASW bomb equipping for planes with a primary armament of torps is faulty. Until it is fixed some players might want to change the default armament for the H8K?

If you listen really carefully, you can hear some devs grinding their teeth... [;)]

Thanks for all those tests, matchwood.

Not to be a wet blanket, but well...is the issue here that the torp planes aren't hitting enough or that Helens are hitting too much.  That looks like a lot of hits to me.

ORIGINAL:  niceguy2005

Not to be a wet blanket, but well...is the issue here that the torp planes aren't hitting enough or that Helens are hitting too much.  That looks like a lot of hits to me.

36 subs + 30 days + 27 Helens = 30+ hits... Sounds about right to me.

BTW, what was the experience level of these air groups, matchwood?

Average exp 75

I have scored hits with Bettys but Sallys and Helens are far more effective.

Great info. Just what I was looking for.

Thank you [&o]

Hi all,

Again - thanks for not forgetting my (old - I did it in v1.4 I think - I am at work now) test and testing with latest version!

The more tests the more things we can, hopefully and possibly, report as not OK and let our valiant programmers fix!


Leo "Apollo11"