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Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:34 am
by Rommel3
(I'm poor at english sorry)
What is the reason to set destroyer armor value 0 ? I'v search forum but no result.
Odd thing is some DD (like Fletcher) have armor when the others have nothing)
Strange.
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:56 am
by AU Tiger_MatrixForum
Destroyers were, and are, rarely armored. Their purpose in life was, and is, to go fast and shoot things, armor would have made them slower. Destroyers' defense was their speed and maneuverability, if you can't hit something, it doesn't need armor, theoretically.
P.S. Your English seems fine to me, and likely better than my command of your language.
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:55 am
by Rommel3
Is there no issue related to game engine?
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:57 am
by DuckofTindalos
What do you mean?
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:10 pm
by Rommel3
I'm not sure but I think i've read There is a reason for that long times ago.
By the way Small AA guns hits are very common close, night naval battle. There must be some difference between no armour and 10mm
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:27 pm
by DuckofTindalos
In penetration, sure, but most destroyers just didn't have armour. That's historically accurate.
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:24 pm
by rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: Rommel3
Is there no issue related to game engine?
i think some folks experimented with putting minimal armor on all DDs to simulate the "armor value" of the mild steel (i.e. - non-armor steel) that the hull, superstructure, etc. Iirc, it proved to be a pain, and didn't add anything to the game... there might have been some adverse effects to repair time as well.
As the US industry got geared up to fight the war, they started incorporating armor-grade steel into even routine structural members on even small warships (like DDs). British observers, seeing this and thinking about how many lives it might have saved on their ships "just cried" (i believe the quote is accurate).
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:33 pm
by Rommel3
Let's think about against 25mm Ty96 AA Gun or 1in AA gun. the effect value about 18~20, when 4.7in gun is 50, But High ROF of AA gun could cause trouble to no armour Destroyer.
I hate sent DD's to repair rear base frequently
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:58 pm
by DuckofTindalos
It's realistic. Too bad that you don't like it.
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:54 pm
by FeurerKrieg
The 99th Fighter Squadron which had already distinguished itself over North Africa, Sicily, and Anzio, was joined with three more black squadrons; the 100th , the 301st,and the 302nd to be designated as the 332nd Fighter Group. Flying from Italian bases they also destroyed enemy rail traffic, coast watching surveillance stations and hundreds of vehicles on air to ground strafing missions. Sixty-six of these pilots were killed in aircraft accidents or in aerial combat while another thirty-two were shot down and captured as prisoners of war. They destroyed or damaged over 409 German aircraft, (111 in the air) over 950 units of ground transportation, and Gwynn Pierson leading a flight of four P-47's sank a destroyer with machine gun fire, which was a distinctive achievement.
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:31 pm
by DuckofTindalos
This is also one of the reasons why the 75mm gun-carrying B-25 was less popular than the version with 10+ .50-cal machine guns. Both were effective at sinking ships, and the fifties were easier to hit with.
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:01 pm
by niceguy2005
ORIGINAL: Terminus
It's realistic. Too bad that you don't like it.
T, it's a good thing you're not a diplomat...[:'(]
Rommel3, in my experience in the game, AA fire has little effect on warships. I don't know the reason, or the game engine mechanics, but it just doesn't seem to. That's not to say that it won't tear up a barge or PT boat. It might have something to do with the targets size. In other words, sure you can shoot through the destroyers armor, but you're not going to do much damage to the ship itself. As for the personnel, navy personnel aren't really modeled in the game. It's as if the ships are not crewed.
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:50 pm
by Nikademus
ORIGINAL: Rommel3
Let's think about against 25mm Ty96 AA Gun or 1in AA gun. the effect value about 18~20, when 4.7in gun is 50, But High ROF of AA gun could cause trouble to no armour Destroyer.
I hate sent DD's to repair rear base frequently
small caliber weapons often do little damage even when they "penetrate" the armor of a ship.
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:28 pm
by Dili
A 25mm Gun certainly will penetrate a destroyer with or without realistic armor at effective range.
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:05 pm
by Nikademus
Give the DD more than 15mm of armor in the game and the device won't do anything except maybe cause a fire level or two if it hits enough. (at least if it's device#69 [;)])
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:34 am
by Reg
ORIGINAL: Niceguy2005
Rommel3, in my experience in the game, AA fire has little effect on warships. I don't know the reason, or the game engine mechanics, but it just doesn't seem to. That's not to say that it won't tear up a barge or PT boat. It might have something to do with the targets size. In other words, sure you can shoot through the destroyers armor, but you're not going to do much damage to the ship itself. As for the personnel, navy personnel aren't really modeled in the game. It's as if the ships are not crewed.
Check out this link..
Surface combat using 20mm Oerlikons
It happened in UV but WITP is very similar.......
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:44 am
by herwin
ORIGINAL: Rommel3
(I'm poor at english sorry)
What is the reason to set destroyer armor value 0 ? I'v search forum but no result.
Odd thing is some DD (like Fletcher) have armor when the others have nothing)
Strange.
WWII DDs lacked armour.
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:47 am
by herwin
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: Rommel3
Is there no issue related to game engine?
i think some folks experimented with putting minimal armor on all DDs to simulate the "armor value" of the mild steel (i.e. - non-armor steel) that the hull, superstructure, etc. Iirc, it proved to be a pain, and didn't add anything to the game... there might have been some adverse effects to repair time as well.
As the US industry got geared up to fight the war, they started incorporating armor-grade steel into even routine structural members on even small warships (like DDs). British observers, seeing this and thinking about how many lives it might have saved on their ships "just cried" (i believe the quote is accurate).
UK war-time construction was slap-dash. Good armour-quality steel was expensive and saved for where it was really needed.
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:27 pm
by Dili
Give the DD more than 15mm of armor in the game and the device won't do anything except maybe cause a fire level or two if it hits enough.
A DD with 15mm of armor would be in bottom of ocean.
RE: Destroyer armor
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:34 pm
by Nikademus
huh?