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just finished a gaudalcanal scenario and was surprised when one of my S boats put a fish in Zuikaku which was extremely helpful left me with a carrier advantage throughout the game.

First time one of my subs has holed a cv played a grand campaign earlier in year and never got one.

does anyone have a story of a crucial hit like this.

ORIGINAL: SargeantTex

just finished a gaudalcanal scenario and was surprised when one of my S boats put a fish in Zuikaku which was extremely helpful left me with a carrier advantage throughout the game.

First time one of my subs has holed a cv played a grand campaign earlier in year and never got one.

does anyone have a story of a crucial hit like this.

Archerfish sinking Shinano? That was RL though. Are you looking for game stories?

I had plenty of "dud" torpedo hits on Japanese CV's early in the philipine campain (you REALLY hate your own faulty torpedo's then), I even had my own allied CV's torpedoed (NON DUD!!) by jap boats.


It is not common to get a CV torped (strong escort and aircover) but it is not extremely RARE either

I have had a half dozen Torpedo failed to explode messages on BBs and CVs on down.  [:(]

In my PBEM a Dutch sub torpedoed the Taiyo. Didn't happen right away, she made it to Kendari, but she sank there after 10 days or so in port.

In the same game a British sub hit the Nisshin in the IO. Apparently she was badly damaged since she put in to Rangoon. There, my bombers finished her off with a few 500 lbers.

I've had a Dutch sub put a pair of fish into CVL Zuiho creating another navigational hazard in the DEI. 

I had an S boat put 2 fish in the Junyo - got a 'Ammo storage explosion' and she sank a day later.

I had an s-bout (S-37 I think) put two fish in Akagi (I think it was Akagi).  She didn't sink but spent a long time in port.  Unfortunately it was 2/42 and with the KB in the DEI it didn't really impact my oppenents operations, that I could tell.

Same game Yorktown hit a mine laid by a sub at Noumea.  Put her in dry dock for 3 months.  That DID affect allied operations.

I had a dutch sub put a torp into Zuikaku during a sweep through the Java sea in january 1942.

Put her to 53 system in the end...

In my PBEM as the Allies, i've only had 3 success against CV's...1) I've had a Dutch Sub sink the CS Chitose w/ a magazine explosion in the opening weeks of the war, 2) a Dutch Minelayer hole the CV Akagi w/ a mine (causing her to miss an important CV battle), 3) an American sub barely dent the CV Soryu w/ a fish

My oppenant at similar successes as Japan.....1) putting a fish into the CV Essex, lightly damaging her, and 2) putting a couple fish into 2 CVL's, in the same turn, almost sinking them, but they survived.

In a UV game as the Japanese I had an undamaged CVL that was attacked three or four times in one day and was sunk by a total of four torpedoes. This is the only CV that I have seen sunk strickly by sub attack.
 
In a WITP game I got very lucky as the Japanese. After a carrier battle the Enterprise limped away (I did not have the aircraft or fuel to go after her). I guessed she was heading to the nearest friendly port. I sent a sub (it was returning from mine laying) to the port. It arrived the day before the Enterprise. My sub put one fish into the Enterprise and sank her. Believe it or not the same thing happened a few weeks later with the Hornet.
 
Both games were pbem.

In my current PBeM vs. FloydG the I-7 put a torpedo into the CL NASHVILLE, then 2 into the U.S.S. ENTERPRISE in the same turn. Unfortunately it seems he was able to escort the carrier back to a port. The I-7 was then sunk by a couple of angry US ASW Hunter Killer groups the next day.

My storey v the AI

8/12/41 120 miles west of Pearl Harbour 1 x jap sub, 1 x USN CV (Enterprises) 2 torpedo hits, 1 x CV in Davey Jones's Locker result 1 x very happy Jap Commander

I remember in a game long ago catching the  damaged Shokaku about a week after a big carrier battle as she slipped into Shortlands. Hit her with one torpedo and she went down right in front of the dock.
 
Damaging one big Japanese CV in 42 before the big carrier battle is a great force equalizer.

In all my PBM games I have not had a CV hit with a torp - except in the three games between me and denisonh. One of my subs has put a torp in one of his CVs in each game. Unfortunately I don't believe any of them sunk - which might be the reason he whupped me in all three games.[:o]

In one of my first UV pbem games, I was getting my hat handed to me by a very experienced Japanese opponent (it might have been Admiral Dadman).  He was maneuvering the KB through the straight between Gili Gili and the island to the east when a US sub put a torpedo into Soryu damaging her pretty severely.  That was about the only success I had in that game.

ORIGINAL: trojan

My storey v the AI
8/12/41 120 miles west of Pearl Harbour 1 x jap sub, 1 x USN CV (Enterprises) 2 torpedo hits, 1 x CV in Davey Jones's Locker result 1 x very happy Jap Commander

Tell me, was Imperial Japanese Headquarters happy with the sub commander when the US declared war on Japan four months before the planned Pearl Harbor attack?[;)]

in my game against dennishh(spelling lol sowee) which is on hold due to "The Great Computer Crisis"[:D] KB engaged all 3 of his carriers SW of Pearl, sinking 2 and heavily damaging 1, i forget which

couple days later, 1 of my Iboats put a fish or 2, not sure how many into 1 his sole surviving CV, she slid beneath the waves that same night

also in that engagemnent, IIRC, Halsey was KIA, so that was a bonus for me

ahhh here we go-



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/23/42


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Day Air attack on TF at 103,73


Allied aircraft
F2A Buffalo x 11
F4F-3 Wildcat x 14
SBD Dauntless x 30
TBD Devastator x 12


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
TK Toei Maru, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
TK Kokuyo Maru, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
DD Akebono, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
TK Ken'yo Maru, Bomb hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
TK Akebono Maru, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
TK Nihon Maru, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 103,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 34

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
SBD Dauntless x 18
TBD Devastator x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 10 destroyed
TBD Devastator: 11 destroyed

Japanese Ships
TK Toei Maru,  on fire,  heavy damage
TK Akebono Maru,  on fire
TK Ken'yo Maru, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 103,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 7
SBD Dauntless x 48
TBD Devastator x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 5 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged
TBD Devastator: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
TK Akebono Maru, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
TK Toho Maru, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
TK Nihon Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
TK Ken'yo Maru, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
TK Shinkoku Maru, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
TK Kokuyo Maru, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
TK Kyokuto Maru, Bomb hits 1,  on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 105,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 65

Allied aircraft
F2A Buffalo x 11
F4F-3 Wildcat x 18
SBD Dauntless x 71
TBD Devastator x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F2A Buffalo: 11 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat: 14 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 40 destroyed
TBD Devastator: 17 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 1
CV Hiryu
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
CV Kaga, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
CV Akagi, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
CV Zuikaku

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 36,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
B5N Kate x 19

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Poelau Bras, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 103,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 48
D3A Val x 93
B5N Kate x 117

Allied aircraft
F2A Buffalo x 10
F4F-3 Wildcat x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 7 destroyed, 2 damaged
D3A Val: 17 damaged
B5N Kate: 12 destroyed, 33 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F2A Buffalo: 8 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat: 13 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 6,  on fire,  heavy damage
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 5,  on fire,  heavy damage
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
CA Northampton
CL Raleigh

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 103,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
D3A Val x 21

Allied aircraft
F2A Buffalo x 1
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F2A Buffalo: 2 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
CA Portland

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 103,73

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Chester, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 5,  on fire,  heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 103,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
B5N Kate x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Lexington, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/24/42

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Sub attack at 105,72

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
CV Lexington, on fire, heavy damage
DD Chew

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Sub attack at 105,72

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
CV Lexington, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Chew

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Sub attack at 105,72

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
CV Lexington, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Chew

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Day Air attack on TF at 105,72

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Chew, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Sub attack at 105,72

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
DD Chew, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage