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What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:36 am
by Ike99
I´ve seen this picture around in several places but have never heard of where it came from or how.

I´m thinking it came from some Japanese propaganda film and is staged as there is an American flag laying in the dirt. But then it looks like there is an explosion happening in the background so maybe it is the slide in a film of actual combat or something. So I´m of different opinions. A very interesting picture either way though.

Anyone know the history behind this picture?




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RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:47 am
by DuckofTindalos
Of course it's propaganda... And you're apparently falling for it...[8|]

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:12 pm
by rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: Terminus

Of course it's propaganda... And you're apparently falling for it...[8|]


oh, come on - it must be real... they never use explosions in non-documentary films!![:-] [:'(]

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:20 pm
by cantona2
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Of course it's propaganda... And you're apparently falling for it...[8|]


oh, come on - it must be real... they never use explosions in non-documentary films!![:-] [:'(]
[:D]

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:10 pm
by rubisco
ORIGINAL: Ike99
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What I don't understadn is what Hugh Laurie was doing fighting for the IJA?
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RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:53 pm
by Chad Harrison
ORIGINAL: Terminus

Of course it's propaganda... And you're apparently falling for it...[8|]

If a certain thread in the general forum is any indication, Ill agree with that conclusion. [:)]

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:01 pm
by decaro
Ike, as a former military journalist w/some PR experince, this photo looks like it was posed deliberately and not an actual combat photo.

Notice the almost theatrical-like expressions on these soldiers faces; and to capture these expressions, the photographer was ahead of them while they were throwing a grenade in his direction. What does that tell you?

As a photograper, I can tell you that the picture is perfectly cropped (framed) and composed, almost too good for real life. Recall that Joe Rosenthall's flag raising at Iwo pic was almost an accident as he was caught off-guard and wasn't even looking thru his view finder (no SLRs back then).

Finally, the crumpled US flag is just too convenient; it looks like a prop placed on the ground.

Ike, this photo is most probably an IJ PR fabrication; i.e., it was faked.

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:42 pm
by Ike99
Terminus-Of course it's propaganda... And you're apparently falling for it...

Ike99-I´m thinking it came from some Japanese propaganda film and is staged[/i] as there is an American flag laying in the dirt.

So in other words you don´t know but felt in needed to make a smart arse comment right?
Chad Harrison- If a certain thread in the general forum is any indication, Ill agree with that conclusion.

So in other words you don´t know either and should just shut the F up.

Yeah I´m starting to agree with some other posters and believe the Matrix forums are better left to the Yankees, their propaganda and their unique sense of insecurity.
kafka-well, after reading a couple of threads today, I'm more than convinced that matrix' forums are best left to their US american customers, sorry but I cannot bear such arrogance any more.
freder-Haha, I'm Dutch! So what do you think? It is a combination of envy, shame, sheer stupidity and longing back to the days when we ruled the waves; bought Manhattan for some mirrors and stuff. Ah, those were the days!
And no, I don't hate America, it's just an unbiased observation. I'm Dutch you know, it's about a 1/20 the size of Texas. Just a little man from a little country: what do you care, Big Americano?

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:06 pm
by Hortlund
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RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:07 pm
by Chad Harrison
Wow. Its the Letters From Iwo Jima thread all over again where even a [:)] cant be used to portray the true intent of a post.

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:25 pm
by goodboyladdie
ORIGINAL: Ike99
Terminus-Of course it's propaganda... And you're apparently falling for it...

Ike99-I´m thinking it came from some Japanese propaganda film and is staged[/i] as there is an American flag laying in the dirt.

So in other words you don´t know but felt in needed to make a smart arse comment right?
Chad Harrison- If a certain thread in the general forum is any indication, Ill agree with that conclusion.

So in other words you don´t know either and should just shut the F up.

Yeah I´m starting to agree with some other posters and believe the Matrix forums are better left to the Yankees, their propaganda and their unique sense of insecurity.
kafka-well, after reading a couple of threads today, I'm more than convinced that matrix' forums are best left to their US american customers, sorry but I cannot bear such arrogance any more.
freder-Haha, I'm Dutch! So what do you think? It is a combination of envy, shame, sheer stupidity and longing back to the days when we ruled the waves; bought Manhattan for some mirrors and stuff. Ah, those were the days!
And no, I don't hate America, it's just an unbiased observation. I'm Dutch you know, it's about a 1/20 the size of Texas. Just a little man from a little country: what do you care, Big Americano?

They agreed with the suppositions in your first post so how can they be portrayed as arrogant? You asked for comment, got it and then told the people who took the time to make comment to shut the f up? I am afraid I really do not understand where all the anti-American comments come from either? I think most of the people who have participated in this thread so far are European...

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:27 pm
by Hortlund
Am I the only one who thinks the guy on the left has an abnormal mouth? That guy looks like he could swallow a pineapple whole.
 
Will that be modelled in AE?

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:35 pm
by mlees
ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Am I the only one who thinks the guy on the left has an abnormal mouth? That guy looks like he could swallow a pineapple whole.

Will that be modelled in AE?

Would that be an increased rate of supply consumption for Japanese LCU's?

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:40 pm
by Hortlund
ORIGINAL: mlees

Would that be an increased rate of supply consumption for Japanese LCU's?

I was thinking more of a foraging bonus, since it is easier to live off the land when you can swallow gigantic pieces of fruit or wood or whatever. Soo... Japanese LCU's get an automatic supply bonus of +5 in any wooden or jungle hex?

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:43 pm
by AW1Steve
[:(] So , how long till this thread gets locked up too? [:-][:-][:-] Once again , let's try and keep it civil guys....[:(]

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:49 pm
by goodboyladdie
Aw Dad! He started it...[:D]

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:52 pm
by Chad Harrison
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

[:(] So , how long till this thread gets locked up too? [:-][:-][:-] Once again , let's try and keep it civil guys....[:(]

Hopefully not long till the lock comes. That Iwo Jima thread needed a lock right about on the second page. There was a higher density of insults per post than even the political opinion forum on BFC around the last US Presidential election. They even shut down the entire sub-fourm it got so bad!

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:55 pm
by Ike99
Wow. Its the Letters From Iwo Jima thread all over again where even a cant be used to portray the true intent of a post.

Uhhh no Chad. I asked about the history behind a intersting picture and if anyone knew about it. Nothing more.

What did you and Terminus do, thinly vielded insults. I have no problem firing back so let´s just avoid any of that and not have the thread locked up. Maybe someone has some info on this picture.

Many pictures looked staged that are not. Flag raising of Iwo Jima for example.

So limit your comments to info on the picture if you have any please.

Thank you.


RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:56 pm
by AW1Steve
ORIGINAL: goodboyladdie

Aw Dad! He started it...[:D]
[:D]That's AW1Dad to you ![:-][:D][:D][:D]

RE: What´s this pictures history?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:59 pm
by DuckofTindalos
That picture is not "intersting", it's a poorly-made piece of propaganda. End of story.