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Unconditional Surrender to the Game's Obtuseness
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:33 am
by joviel
I just backed out of the PBEM game I was trying to get into. The text of my email is below;
I'm backing out of this before I screw things up for everyone. Even after three tries I haven't been able to complete the Turkish setup. I get "Must setup all forces" messages even though all corps and factors have been placed (and yes, I placed the two Turkish free states, Syria and Emerta).
The game just isn't ready for prime time. It isn't complex, it is obtuse. I have a sinking feeling I wasted my money.
Guys, in its current incarnation, the game is a less than wonderful experience. There is information missing, info necessary to complete even the basics. I have been playing computer strategy games for 25 years (since the Atari 800) so I have a high threshold of pain (Hey, I managed to have fun with computer Third Reich!). This is the first time I've given up.
I'm sure that with love, debugging and a better manual it will be a great game. But I could never recommend the current version to anyone. I say this not to dis the game or to vent frustration, but to try to communicate to the developers and EiA boardgame grognards that, lacking their inherent knowledge, the game is unplayable.
Scott Uhrick
RE: Unconditional Surrender to the Game's Obtuseness
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:38 am
by Irish Guards
Call me here ....
1 905 881 2690 .....
You should see ,,,,, bottom left corner ....of screen ,,, in white what you have to place .. For Turkey ...
you placing your fleet ... " transports "
You are the 2nd guy in the game so its .. np ....
IDG
RE: Unconditional Surrender to the Game's Obtuseness
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:47 am
by Suvorov928
Yea, there are some problems, and some bugs ha needs fixing, however, if you cannot finish placing your units, I can tell you, you are making an error somewhere and forgetting something. I have setup every country in this game over the last few days, and all work.
RE: Unconditional Surrender to the Game's Obtuseness
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:48 am
by Monadman
ORIGINAL: joviel
I just backed out of the PBEM game I was trying to get into. The text of my email is below;
I'm backing out of this before I screw things up for everyone. Even after three tries I haven't been able to complete the Turkish setup. I get "Must setup all forces" messages even though all corps and factors have been placed (and yes, I placed the two Turkish free states, Syria and Emerta).
The game just isn't ready for prime time. It isn't complex, it is obtuse. I have a sinking feeling I wasted my money.
Guys, in its current incarnation, the game is a less than wonderful experience. There is information missing, info necessary to complete even the basics. I have been playing computer strategy games for 25 years (since the Atari 800) so I have a high threshold of pain (Hey, I managed to have fun with computer Third Reich!). This is the first time I've given up.
I'm sure that with love, debugging and a better manual it will be a great game. But I could never recommend the current version to anyone. I say this not to dis the game or to vent frustration, but to try to communicate to the developers and EiA boardgame grognards that, lacking their inherent knowledge, the game is unplayable.
Scott Uhrick
Scott,
Could you please try this before you go?
Click any land area on the map and view the Status Panel. It will show the current major power’s available factors during setup. You need to add them before advancing the game.
I suspect you forgot the Turkish fleets as you did not mention them in your post.
Richard
RE: Unconditional Surrender to the Game's Obtuseness
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:49 am
by Irish Guards
Vendee Pbem game ... wee are now at France Diplomacy phase ... [&o]
After .. ummm ... well ... ahhh .... [&:]
I know about French Diplomacy ...
Know the game fine .. lol ... Ah yeah .. ummm sure ... lmao [X(]
To get game to go .. have a pretty good idea now .. [X(]
Got my units on board .. Think its important .. [X(]
I hope ... [8|]
Oh Dear ... [:'(]
IrishDragoonGuards
RE: Unconditional Surrender to the Game's Obtuseness
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:50 am
by chuckj118
Use the auto setup the first time through...lower left last button on the 2nd row I believe.
RE: Unconditional Surrender to the Game's Obtuseness
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:59 am
by joviel
Yep, tried the supplied setup. Bur when I started to change it things went screwy. And for some reason one can't remove the feudal units to lay them down in a different area.
Scott
RE: Unconditional Surrender to the Game's Obtuseness
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:00 am
by joviel
Will do, and thanks,
Scott
RE: Unconditional Surrender to the Game's Obtuseness
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:19 am
by joviel
Thanks for pointing out the panel with the remaining troops to be placed. That did the trick, I completed the setup for the first time. I had placed the fleets before, so it was something else I must have missed.
Why can't the feudal units be removed once placed? Seems like a harsh restriction. Obviously I am not the mistake-free type.
Thanks again to all, there is actually life in the game after all, but it still needs major surgery.
Scott
RE: Unconditional Surrender to the Game's Obtuseness
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:00 am
by Monadman
ORIGINAL: joviel
Thanks for pointing out the panel with the remaining troops to be placed. That did the trick, I completed the setup for the first time. I had placed the fleets before, so it was something else I must have missed.
Why can't the feudal units be removed once placed? Seems like a harsh restriction. Obviously I am not the mistake-free type.
Thanks again to all, there is actually life in the game after all, but it still needs major surgery.
Scott
Scott,
Rather than removing them, it is possible to double-click them around the map. And yes, I am very baaaaaaaaaaaad boy for not mentioning that in the manual.
So we now have a line in the next addendum file, which will be coming to a computer near your fingertips very soon.
ADDITION
Section 5.2.1 Manual Setups
Add the following to the end of this section
Note: If you click on the counter and then double-click another area in that major power’s territory, the counter will move to that location (this does not apply for depots and leaders).
Enjoy
Richard
RE: Unconditional Surrender to the Game's Obtuseness
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:41 am
by pakron
Dang, I wish I had known that for my Turkish set-up in one of the PBeM games I am in. It was a pain having to re-do my set up several times.
RE: Unconditional Surrender to the Game's Obtuseness
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:07 pm
by 1LTRambo
Yeah. I don't even have the game yet and I'm learning some good stuff on this forum. And to think of all the nay sayers over the years.