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unavailable to cede?

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:15 am
by ndrose
Odd little bug: France is at war with Prussia, but cannot select Saxony as a territory to cede if Prussia surrenders.

French conquered territory borders Saxony, and there is a French army in Saxony, so it should be doubly available. (In fact, it will soon fall to French control, so it doesn't matter much, except as a bug report.)

Only thing I can see that might be causing it, since I don't think I've seen this problem before, is that Austria, which is at war with Prussia in a semi-lapsed sort of way, has a garrison there. But it's not even in Dresden--it's in Leipzig. It shouldn't make any difference, but I'm guessing that's what's confusing the program.

Nathan Rose

RE: unavailable to cede?

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:50 am
by Mynok

Isn't Saxony a minor country, not a Prussian home province? That may be the issue. I don't recall if minors can be chosen for ceding.

RE: unavailable to cede?

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:28 am
by zaquex
If you have a corp inside any province/state/free state it should be eligible as long as its not the capital province of a major power. As long as saxony its owned/controlled by prussia it must be a bug of some sort. 

RE: unavailable to cede?

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:35 am
by Grognot
You don't need a present corps or fleet, or a common border, for minors -- just for home provinces.  And Saxony is a minor, so it's probably applying

8.8.3: A territory may not be ceded while it contains any forces of a major power at war with the controlling major power or, in the case of a minor country, separately at-war with that minor country, unless it is ceded to that major power with forces inside that territory.

throughout, and not just during the economic phase.

RE: unavailable to cede?

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:00 am
by ndrose
Huh, OK, maybe it's not a bug then. I never noticed that rule before. Placed as it is in the Economic Phase, it looks as if it was written to prevent abusive ceding to allies when a minor is about to be conquered during a war. It's hard to tell whether the rules mean that to apply to peace condition ceding also. But I guess it must!

Thanks

Nathan

RE: unavailable to cede?

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:58 pm
by MarshallEllis
If the Austrian garrison is removed, does it become available?
 

RE: unavailable to cede?

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:05 pm
by ndrose
I would guess so, since I haven't seen this in other situations. Is there a way I can remove it to check? (France isn't at war with Austria, so I can't do it within normal game play.)

I should note that the presence of the Austrian garrison did not prevent France from conquering as normal by occupation, and the garrison was repatriated--or, actually, was moved to another Prussian city, which may be a little bug of sorts. Austria and Prussia are at war, and it didn't get moved into a provincial capital or anything, but it still seems odd that a French takeover of Saxony would cause an Austrian garrison to wander through hostile Prussia looking for a town to settle in; they should probably go back to Austria.

Nathan