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Response from admin was that loaned corp pp gain/loss is not being addressed in 1.02

Just wondering will this be included in future patches or is this not the intention of the admin? I really think this is important, particularly for prussia who may just sit around for a year while it loans corp...

or turkey/spain who need pp points as negotiation with france in order to help them!!

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Response from admin was that loaned corp pp gain/loss is not being addressed in 1.02

Just wondering will this be included in future patches or is this not the intention of the admin? I really think this is important, particularly for prussia who may just sit around for a year while it loans corp...

or turkey/spain who need pp points as negotiation with france in order to help them!!

You might as well include any nation but France, who seldom needs to loan corps away.
Russia cause of the long supply lines, loans corps.
Austria might loan some away to.
Gb can to during the first year to boost the morale of an army.
Turkey+Spain+Prussia for reasons you mentioned

Problem is its really a killer, the expected Victory conditions for all nations include pps gained/lost from combined battles. Maybe we should even consider lowering all but Frances, till its fixed.

Regards
Bresh

Actually; this affects France too.  France might want to take a Spanish or
Turkish corp into Nappy's army as a reward to an ally (& a way to cut down
on French losses) in battles against either Austria or Russia.

I think that the only reasonable fix to the loaned corps (and fleets) problems are to allow combined movement.

* In the reinforcement phase, allow declarations of combined movement.

* In the land / naval movement phase, delay all allies that have combined movement to move in the last movement slot of any of those allies. e.g. if GB and Prussia have announced combined movement, delay GB's land movement phase to happen immediately before Prussia's land movement phase.

* In the land / naval combat phase, delay all combat involving allies that have combined movement to occur after the movement phase of the last ally that is moving. e.g. in the above example, the sequence would be:

(a) GB moves
(b) Prussia moves
(c) Combined GB + Prussian land combat phase.

Even in this case, you have the problem of the supply of a unit with a foreign depot !
Which player decided ? ....and paid ?
 
The actual system is interesting BUT you have to give a loaned order every turn. Don't forget this or it could be a disaster !!!

I think practically, combined movement is impossible, and loaned corp can have an advantage, in that it may be more realistic to loan a corp without declaring, as it happened (with a limit, obviously)
 
But there are a few problems, most notably the political point problem
we should also be able to see which corps have been loaned
loaning power should always be able to see stats of a corp loaned
loaning should be continued until de-loaned (in diplomacy or reinforcement phase)
issues with warring countries should be fixed, pertaining to countries not at war with the loanee, or loaner (I think this is fixed in 1.02)
 
There doesn't seem to be any indication to fix some of these...particularly the pp gain/loss.  Is this because it's impossible?

Fascinating, you mean this problem hasn't been fixed? I could have sworn someone wrote to me that if I only read his emails all would be solved.

One potential house rule could be the following.

Loaned corps can be used by the loanee in any manner that the computer will allow with the following limitations placed on how many factors may be loaned by a player during any diplomacy phase:

- A nation that isn't at war with anyone may loan no more than 20 (Turkey 30) army factors total.
- A nation at war with anyone (doesn't matter who) may loan no more than 40 (Turkey 50) army factors total.
- A nation at war with France may loan no more than 80 army factors total.

These limits are a total limit so if you loan to multiple countries the total number of loaned factors may not exceed the limits.

Without the interrelationships created by alliances (both facing an alliance and/or alliances facing each other) this PC game just is not going to be played the same or feel the same as EiA. Without something to replace "combined movement" there is no good reason to form alliances...the current "loaned corp" solution doesn't cut it at all.

The alliances were the heart and soul of EiA and a big part of what made EiA great. Without a REAL "combined movement" solution this will just be some PC Game look-alike.

There doesn't seem to be any indication to fix some of these...particularly the pp gain/loss. Is this because it's impossible?

It should be possible to do all this, but I suspect it's complicated. Whatever doesn't get into the v1.02 patch should get fixed eventually. I believe all these issues have been acknowledged and will be resolved.

I would hope the loaned corps issue would include loaned leaders too. As I understand it, loaned corps can draw depot supply from the controlling MP. I expect they pay for it too, so players who loan corps should be providing some $$ too. This is something the AI should be considering as well. What I don't quite understand is why you can't draw depot supply from an ally. Something like that factors into a decision to form an alliance and whether to loan corps or not.

Why is it that I cannot seem to loan a fleet?


Adrian

It isn't allowed. Only armies can be loaned.