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If a land based air unit is totally destroyed, does it respawn, or is that unit forever removed from the order of battle?

If it respawns, where and when?

Thanks...

Yes, they respawn.
 
If they go down on a ship, or if their base is over-run, I think it's like 90 days, or maybe 120.
 
The re-appear on the reinforcement track, and will need to draw planes from your pools.  If they were set to upgrade, and a newer plane type is available, they may auto-upgrade.  If they are of a plane type that doesn't have enough planes to create the unit, and the unit can't upgrade, frankly, I'm not sure what will happen.
 
Also, some of your pilots will need to be replaced (altho usually most of your pilots return with the squadron).
 
I'm "pretty sure" that's how it works, I 'm probably about 90% correct.  I've just never bothered to look beyond checking the track to see that the unit was coming back as a reinforcement.
 
Note that fragments of units, if over-run, will not return.*  Only parents will respawn.  * The exception to this is the VMF-211/1 that starts on Wake.  Even tho it looks like a fragment, it's actually a self-supporting unit and will respawn.
 
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Ah Feinder ...  When I saw you were reading the post I just knew a solid answer was on the way.
 
Thanks for the quick and informative reply.

ORIGINAL: Feinder
If they are of a plane type that doesn't have enough planes to create the unit, and the unit can't upgrade, frankly, I'm not sure what will happen.

I've seen this. If there are some planes in the pool but not enough to completely fill the unit, the unit empties the pool and comes on map with the planes that are available.

Yes, they respawn.

REALLY!! [X(][X(]

I had no idea. How did I miss that? I thought only certain ships respawn.

Ah Feinder ... When I saw you were reading the post I just knew a solid answer was on the way.

Thanks for the quick and informative reply.

Well, unfortunately, my quick and informative reply is due to having lost more than my share of squadrons... [;)]

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I have seen reinforcements come in with planes that are a downgrade; i.e., an F5A squadron arriving with CW-22s because there weren't enough F5As available.

It's difficult for carrier groups to respawn because the parent usually goes down with the ship.

Any idea about where they will respawn? Or how to change it?

I've managed to lose a couple of the TB squadran from Malaya (1 in Johor Bahru, 1 in Burma somewhere), and they are both going to respawn in Singapore, so fat chance I'll ever see them again.

I think they respawn in 365 days, at least these two seem too...

I believe they would arrive if you take Singapore back.

I have seen RAAF respawn in Sydney, USAAF respawn in San Francisco and RAF (together with USAAF attached to SEAC) respawn in Karachi.  The delay was 1 year.
 
Alfred

ORIGINAL: OldGuard1970

If a land based air unit is totally destroyed, does it respawn, or is that unit forever removed from the order of battle?

If it respawns, where and when?

Thanks...

Destroyed air squadrons take 1 year to respawn. Withdrawn take 30 or 60 days (can’t remember which) and disbanded 90 days.

I know in my current CHS game all my Dutch squadrons that I disbanded on Java are returning now and I see two things. First the bombers groups come back with Dakota transport planes (no Martin bombers in pool), but the fighter groups are coming back with full compliments of 339 fighters. Granted it’s a crappy plane and of little use, but I’d have been happier if the default plane was P-39’s or something, purely for aesthetic reasons, as both planes are crappy.

So it looks like the squadrons retrograde to a minimum plane type and then they flesh out with that air frame even if no air frames of that type are available in the pools. This makes sense since they’d sit in the track forever if the minimum plane type wasn’t producing any replacements.

I can’t say for sure all nationalities default to the same plane types, so US bomber groups may default to C-47’s if no bombers are available to draw from and fighter groups may in fact draw P-39’s or some other crappy air frame. Brits probably draw Dakota’s and Hurricanes etc.

Jim

Dakota's are on the upgrade path for Dutch bomber squadrons - I doubt any US squadrons would upgrade in the same way.

ORIGINAL: Andy_MKST

Any idea about where they will respawn? Or how to change it?

I've managed to lose a couple of the TB squadran from Malaya (1 in Johor Bahru, 1 in Burma somewhere), and they are both going to respawn in Singapore, so fat chance I'll ever see them again.

I think they respawn in 365 days, at least these two seem too...

When they come due on the reinforcement queue, they will remain in the queue "organizing" until you take Singapore back. Then they will appear at Singapore.

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

So it looks like the squadrons retrograde to a minimum plane type and then they flesh out with that air frame even if no air frames of that type are available in the pools. This makes sense since they’d sit in the track forever if the minimum plane type wasn’t producing any replacements.

Is this the same as with disbanded units?

If so does it mean the missing P-40's that everyone likes to talk about are actually there, but not really visible?

Meaning - Allied players usually don't see them because of the Sir Robin tactic, whereas if the Allied Player stood and fought and lost the P-40 units in the Philippines and he would have them subsequently reappear with free P=40's???

ORIGINAL: treespider

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

So it looks like the squadrons retrograde to a minimum plane type and then they flesh out with that air frame even if no air frames of that type are available in the pools. This makes sense since they’d sit in the track forever if the minimum plane type wasn’t producing any replacements.

Is this the same as with disbanded units?

If so does it mean the missing P-40's that everyone likes to talk about are actually there, but not really visible?

Meaning - Allied players usually don't see them because of the Sir Robin tactic, whereas if the Allied Player stood and fought and lost the P-40 units in the Philippines and he would have them subsequently reappear with free P=40's???

No, the planes are gone and the pilots are gone... the UNIT might be reformed latter, though.

i am not convinced on this last point though... At least in our CHS 3x3 PBEM, units that have been overrun are not appearing on the reinforment list to show up latter (at least for 6 months, and AFAIK, they are not appearing on the list at all.)

EDIT: Finally, at least some of the units have appeared on the reinforcement list - closer to 1 year out, but this could be different depending on whether or not HIGHLY VARIABLE REINFORCEMENTS are set.

I would gladly take all the Dakota groups I can get.............nothing better than being able to rapidly fly in a regiment or division when they are needed.

In CHS, I disbanded a P-40B squadron into another and in 90 days it came back at San Fran with "free" P-40B that filled up the squadron. Saw that and stopped it as it seemed gamey to me.

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

In CHS, I disbanded a P-40B squadron into another and in 90 days it came back at San Fran with "free" P-40B that filled up the squadron. Saw that and stopped it as it seemed gamey to me.

Only time i think that happens is if it steals planes from other reinforcements arriving... eventually you start ending up with P-35s or P-32s or some other stuff that is less than desirable... however, it is often difficult to tease this out.

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

In CHS, I disbanded a P-40B squadron into another and in 90 days it came back at San Fran with "free" P-40B that filled up the squadron. Saw that and stopped it as it seemed gamey to me.

I read somewhere around here that Allied air reinforcements get free planes (they don't come out of the pool). I know for a fact that's not the case with the Japanese. Don't really know if it's true or not.