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EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:15 pm
by Marauders
I guess I am not the only one who isn't pleased with Microsoft using its near monopoly to hinder competition and extort fees.

The European Union has taken action that the governments in Washington D.C. and Ottawa have failed to take.
EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

AOIFE WHITE | February 27, 2008

Associated Press


BRUSSELS, Belgium — The European Union fined Microsoft Corp. a record $1.3 billion Wednesday for the amount it charges rivals for software information.

EU regulators said the company charged "unreasonable prices" until last October to software developers who wanted to make products compatible with the Windows desktop operating system.

The fine is the largest ever for a single company and brings to just under $2.5 billion the amount the EU has demanded Microsoft pay in a long-running antitrust dispute.

Microsoft immediately said the issues for which it was fined have been resolved and the company was making its products more open.

The fine comes less that a week after Microsoft said it would share more information about its products and technology in an effort to make it work better with rivals' software and meet the demands of antitrust regulators in Europe.

But EU Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes remained skeptical and said Microsoft was under investigation in two additional cases.

"Talk is cheap," Kroes said. "Flouting the rules is expensive."

Microsoft's actions have stifled innovation and affected millions of people around the world, Kroes said. She called the record 899 million euro fine "a reasonable response to a series of quite unreasonable actions."

"We could have gone as high as 1.5 billion euros ($2.23 billion)," she said. "The maximum amount is higher than what we did at the end of the day."

The EU alleged that Microsoft withheld crucial interoperability information for desktop PC software _ where it is the world's leading supplier _ in an effort squeeze into a new market and damage rivals.

The company delayed compliance for three years, the EU said, only making changes in October to the patent licenses for companies that need data to create software that works with Microsoft.

Full AP Story: EU Fines Microsoft

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:22 pm
by Grell
LOL! They bloody well deserve it, the rotten scumbags.

Regards,

Grell

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:24 pm
by ORANGE
The European Union does not have a choice. Europeans cannot make a better operating system so they have to try to make money off of those that can somehow.

It does not surprise me at all. I wish them luck.

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:59 pm
by mjk428
Hopefully MS will tell them to get stuffed and pull out of the EU market.

If it comes to war, I'm sure that Gates can field the stronger army.

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:05 pm
by ORANGE
ORIGINAL: mjk428

Hopefully MS will tell them to get stuffed and pull out of the EU market.

If it comes to war, I'm sure that Gates can field the stronger army.
If not stronger at least one with a work ethic and a sense of purpose. [;)]

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:17 pm
by PunkReaper
If it comes to war, I'm sure that Gates can field the stronger army.

It will probably crash and have to reboot on the way over![:D]

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:18 pm
by Marauders
The European Union does not have a choice. Europeans cannot make a better operating system so they have to try to make money off of those that can somehow.
 
It isn't about the OS as much as Microsoft using the OS to stifle competion in other areas or extort fees.
 

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:24 pm
by Marauders
If it comes to war, I'm sure that Gates can field the stronger army.

It will probably crash and have to reboot on the way over!

If Gates brings the Vista army, it will be 20% slower, not know how to operate older equipment, and will have to be replaced in a year.

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:36 pm
by 2ndACR
Well, Microsoft will probably just ask them if they prefer a check, or cash. I know a couple years ago, Microsoft had like 40 Billion dollars cash on hand. Kind of hard to fine a company that makes as much as most GDP's of nations.

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:39 pm
by ORANGE
ORIGINAL: Marauders
The European Union does not have a choice. Europeans cannot make a better operating system so they have to try to make money off of those that can somehow.

It isn't about the OS as much as Microsoft using the OS to stifle competion in other areas or extort fees.
I am sure it is about extorting fees but it is not about Microsoft extorting fees. [;)]

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:48 pm
by marcusm
I hope HP gets fined too for forcing Vista on people.
As for suffering without Vista, yeah right ;).

OS X here I come :).

Seriously. I don't think too many here make their living as business advisors hehe.



RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:13 am
by ravinhood
Lol that's what Gates will do ship VISTA over to Europe and the rest of the world will get Windows 7 ;)

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:22 am
by tanker4145
It isn't about the OS as much as Microsoft using the OS to stifle competion in other areas or extort fees.

The only one being extorted is Microsoft. Some countries are in a tizzy because they can't compete. That must hurt the pride pretty bad to know you can't compete with what "everyone" knows is a horrible OS.

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:49 am
by mack2
Dont' worry, the euros will soon compete! With Linux!

hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha

Amazing how apple with it's preloaded software and terrible OS never gets this.

Surely their iPod needing to have iTunes to work is the exact same thing? Should fine them billions of dollars.

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:02 am
by marcusm
Vista is nothing but a lame attempt at copying OS X features. It failed miserably.
Only people with no real business needs uses Vista today. IE slackers and hobos.

OS X for the world. Screw MS.

And Linux competes just fine, just ask the "European" company IBM.



RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:01 pm
by ORANGE
ORIGINAL: tanker4145
It isn't about the OS as much as Microsoft using the OS to stifle competion in other areas or extort fees.

The only one being extorted is Microsoft. Some countries are in a tizzy because they can't compete. That must hurt the pride pretty bad to know you can't compete with what "everyone" knows is a horrible OS.
Exactly. [:D]

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:03 pm
by ORANGE
ORIGINAL: mack2

Dont' worry, the euros will soon compete! With Linux!

hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha

Amazing how apple with it's preloaded software and terrible OS never gets this.

Surely their iPod needing to have iTunes to work is the exact same thing? Should fine them billions of dollars.
The problem is that if you get rid of MS where does the standardization com from? A lot of flavors of Linux seem unable to agree on even the smallest things at times. Their personal pride gets in the way of what is best. Petty school girls. [>:]

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:57 pm
by Motomouse
@ tanker & orange

... some countries are in a tizzy because they can't compete ...

Sorry I have to giggle, when I see presumptive descendants of the likes that left europe cause they could not compete over here, now brawling today about market dominating american superheros from microsoft. ("Meet the fource" anyone? http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/events/aa740358.aspx)

... where does the standardization come from ...

    I hope not from your point of view or microsofts, I prefer the existing differences and cherish the variety resulting from social discourse

But keep trying to achieve standards by subjugating to monopoly if it fits you. One size fits it all. Be happy! I am sure your future strategy gaming needs will be fulfilled by EA.

And cause I like variety, please don´t change your mind. Thanks!

(Please be aware, that this is a totally polemic&malicious reply to orange&tanker and not a sincere posting at any rate [8D])

Regards
Motomouth



RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:36 pm
by ORANGE
ORIGINAL: Motomouse

@ tanker & orange

... some countries are in a tizzy because they can't compete ...

Sorry I have to giggle, when I see presumptive descendants of the likes that left europe cause they could not compete over here, now brawling today about market dominating american superheros from microsoft. ("Meet the fource" anyone? http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/events/aa740358.aspx)

... where does the standardization come from ...

I hope not from your point of view or microsofts, I prefer the existing differences and cherish the variety resulting from social discourse

But keep trying to achieve standards by subjugating to monopoly if it fits you. One size fits it all. Be happy! I am sure your future strategy gaming needs will be fulfilled by EA.

And cause I like variety, please don´t change your mind. Thanks!

(Please be aware, that this is a totally polemic&malicious reply to orange&tanker and not a sincere posting at any rate [8D])

Regards
Motomouth


First, not everyone in the US is descended from Europeans. The ones that left Europe for the US may have left for other reasons than they could not compete. Maybe they left because they did not wish to be enslaved under a king or emperor? For religious freedom or solely because they did not wish to be part of throwing each other in human sized ovens?

The US sure had no problems competing with the Europeans in Europe in 1944-45, when going to the moon or even landing a working rover on mars. [8D]

RE: EU Fines Microsoft Record $1.3B

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:02 pm
by Erik Rutins
Let's stay on topic please rather than turning this into a larger discussion.