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Definitive Team Names
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:21 pm
by Wrathchild
When you see a conflict in the name of a team, such as can be seen in the early 20th century, what do you guys use as a final source? The reason I ask is because I see difference between what PS uses from the Lahman database versus what a site like baseball-almanac.com has. Which one is right?
RE: Definitive Team Names
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:59 pm
by CrashDavis
Which team and year is it?
RE: Definitive Team Names
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:05 pm
by Wrathchild
1901 and 1902 for Cleveland, Boston (AL), and Chicago (AL), off the top of my head. It seems that Cleveland, for example, shows up as the Bronchos, the Naps, or the Blues, depending on where you look. At this point I've been going with baseball-almanac.com, even if if it disagrees with the Lahman and PS, since some of it just seems a matter of preference.
RE: Definitive Team Names
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:15 pm
by CrashDavis
I'm a Baseball-Reference.com man myself.
Boston Red Sox (1908 - 2008) - 6 World Championships, 10 Pennants, and 17 Playoff Appearances
Boston Americans (1901 - 1907) - 1 World Championship, 2 Pennants, and 1 Playoff Appearance
*Chicago White Sox (1901 - 2008) - 3 World Championships, 6 Pennants, and 8 Playoff Appearances
Cleveland Indians (1915 - 2008) - 2 World Championships, 5 Pennants, and 10 Playoff Appearances
Cleveland Naps (1903 - 1914)
Cleveland Bronchos (1902)
Cleveland Blues (1901)
*The White Sox were originally known as the White Stockings, but quickly changed the name as the local newspapers had shortened it for headline-writing purposes.
RE: Definitive Team Names
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:44 pm
by Frozen Stiffer
I'm not familiar with the teams of that era, but if you're looking for votes and opinions, I'm with Crash- I've always used baseball-reference.com to determine a variety of stats and details. Usually, when replaying a historical year, I use it to determine who primarily played each position, who were the likely starting pitchers, who were typical bench-players, etc.
RE: Definitive Team Names
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:19 pm
by Wrathchild
I'll add that spot to my reference tools. If you haven't seen baseball-almanac, it's a pretty cool site. But here's what they have for those same teams:
Boston Red Sox
1908 - present
Boston Americans
1901 - 1907
Chicago White Sox
1904 - present
Chicago White Stockings
1901 - 1903
Cleveland Indians
1915 - present
Cleveland Naps
1905 - 1914
Cleveland Blues
1901 - 1904
So it's a little different. And I could've sworn I saw that one of my players historically played for the Boston Somersets in 1901 or 1902, but I can't find any reference to that now.
RE: Definitive Team Names
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:23 pm
by Frozen Stiffer
Wrath,
The Somersets may have existed, but have had nothing to do with the eventual Red Sox. They may have been another team in the same city, like the Mets/Yankees or Angels/Dodgers.