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Hi All,

I noted a recently arrived formation was designated VMO-251, it didnt appear to be a usual fighter squadron because the designation was unique, to me at any rate. So I looked the unit up and it was apparently a recon unit, however it filled other roles as well. The octopus emblem is indicative of that, in the context of WITP does this unit offer any advantages besides being a fighter unit? Or do they preform as a dedicated recon unit?

if it says it's a fighter squadron then that is what it's function is in the game.

You are correct that VMO is representative of USMC recon squadron.  It was originally issued F4Fs, and in-game, there are no F4F recon versions, so it's there as a fighter squadron.

One thing I'd really like to see in AE is, the recon version of several aircraft.  The US had several recon squadrons with B-24s and PBYs.  The problem is that in WitP, just as you saw with the F4F, B-24s and PBYs are already set as a different roll (bomber and patrol).  You could make it work by having a slot for B-24s that were of type "recon", same for PBYs.  You'd also need separate replacement pools for them as well (fine).

But the bonus for a "type" recon in Witp are huge (vastly over-stated IMO, or rather that the "penalty" for non-recon are greatly over-stated rather).  I'd like to see actual "recon" type PBYs and B-24s (and realistic replacement rates increased for the F4 and F5, to reflect the ability to convert these aircraft from stock P-38s).  But I realize the current constraint is the squeeze for aircraft slots.  As I understand it however, there are many more availale in AE, so one can only hope.

-F-

Good info, im also beginning to think stock WITP isnt even close to representing the varied assets the Allies had. However I also understand the game engine limitations. At any rate thats a shame, because I am currently hurting for dedicated recon from a allied standpoint, the stock production rate is very low. I am at 8/42 and ive only managed to upgrade one dutch recon unit. As it stands I do however now have 2 of the P38 type recon squadrons in operation. Both at the point of the spear so to speak.

I think this unit may of used some F4F-7 recon birds as well as F4F-4. The F4F-7 recon version was only build in small numbers and is not in the game.
 
MJt

ORIGINAL: Feinder

One thing I'd really like to see in AE is, the recon version of several aircraft. The US had several recon squadrons with B-24s and PBYs. The problem is that in WitP, just as you saw with the F4F, B-24s and PBYs are already set as a different roll (bomber and patrol). You could make it work by having a slot for B-24s that were of type "recon", same for PBYs. You'd also need separate replacement pools for them as well (fine).

But the bonus for a "type" recon in Witp are huge (vastly over-stated IMO, or rather that the "penalty" for non-recon are greatly over-stated rather). I'd like to see actual "recon" type PBYs and B-24s (and realistic replacement rates increased for the F4 and F5, to reflect the ability to convert these aircraft from stock P-38s). But I realize the current constraint is the squeeze for aircraft slots. As I understand it however, there are many more availale in AE, so one can only hope.

-F-

You will see F2A-3P, F4F-3P, F4F-7, F6F-5P, F7F-3P, O-47, O-49, F-4 F-5A, F-5B, F-6C, F-6D, F-7A, F-10, F-13.

They will be represented in unit size formations.

And Fighters can perform Recon now.

ORIGINAL: TheElf

ORIGINAL: Feinder

One thing I'd really like to see in AE is, the recon version of several aircraft. The US had several recon squadrons with B-24s and PBYs. The problem is that in WitP, just as you saw with the F4F, B-24s and PBYs are already set as a different roll (bomber and patrol). You could make it work by having a slot for B-24s that were of type "recon", same for PBYs. You'd also need separate replacement pools for them as well (fine).

But the bonus for a "type" recon in Witp are huge (vastly over-stated IMO, or rather that the "penalty" for non-recon are greatly over-stated rather). I'd like to see actual "recon" type PBYs and B-24s (and realistic replacement rates increased for the F4 and F5, to reflect the ability to convert these aircraft from stock P-38s). But I realize the current constraint is the squeeze for aircraft slots. As I understand it however, there are many more availale in AE, so one can only hope.

-F-

You will see F2A-3P, F4F-3P, F4F-7, F6F-5P, F7F-3P, O-47, O-49, F-4 F-5A, F-5B, F-6C, F-6D, F-7A, F-10, F-13.

They will be represented in unit size formations.

And Fighters can perform Recon now.

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It IS pretty cool...

You will see F2A-3P, F4F-3P, F4F-7, F6F-5P, F7F-3P, O-47, O-49, F-4 F-5A, F-5B, F-6C, F-6D, F-7A, F-10, F-13.
They will be represented in unit size formations.
And Fighters can perform Recon now.

 
Awesome.  You da man Elf.
 
-F-

Before I knew about this, I thought it was a typo in the database. I had to make a VMO detachment for the TTMW scenario, and when I selected the F4F-3P, it said "Fighter"...[&:][:D]

ORIGINAL: Feinder

You will see F2A-3P, F4F-3P, F4F-7, F6F-5P, F7F-3P, O-47, O-49, F-4 F-5A, F-5B, F-6C, F-6D, F-7A, F-10, F-13.
They will be represented in unit size formations.
And Fighters can perform Recon now.

Awesome. You da man Elf.

-F-

All the credit goes to TimTom. Were it not for his diligence in researching the OoB it would not be in...however I DID do the individual art...[;)]

Well, yeah... TimTom's da man. That doesn't stop you from being it too, though...[;)][:D]

ORIGINAL: TheElf

ORIGINAL: Feinder

One thing I'd really like to see in AE is, the recon version of several aircraft. The US had several recon squadrons with B-24s and PBYs. The problem is that in WitP, just as you saw with the F4F, B-24s and PBYs are already set as a different roll (bomber and patrol). You could make it work by having a slot for B-24s that were of type "recon", same for PBYs. You'd also need separate replacement pools for them as well (fine).

But the bonus for a "type" recon in Witp are huge (vastly over-stated IMO, or rather that the "penalty" for non-recon are greatly over-stated rather). I'd like to see actual "recon" type PBYs and B-24s (and realistic replacement rates increased for the F4 and F5, to reflect the ability to convert these aircraft from stock P-38s). But I realize the current constraint is the squeeze for aircraft slots. As I understand it however, there are many more availale in AE, so one can only hope.

-F-

You will see F2A-3P, F4F-3P, F4F-7, F6F-5P, F7F-3P, O-47, O-49, F-4 F-5A, F-5B, F-6C, F-6D, F-7A, F-10, F-13.

They will be represented in unit size formations.

And Fighters can perform Recon now.

This is a good thing. Now can any plane perform the recon mission in game? In a pinch, I would imagine you could send any plane up you have and hand the pilot a camera to get recon. In the current retail version of WiTP I have done this with float planes due to the fact that I have no recon units available, will this remain the same?

however I DID do the individual art...

Any chance for a preview(s)...?

[:)]

-F-

Here you go...

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Here you go...

Fabulous!! [:D] [:D] [:D]

Smarty pants.  My eyes aren't that good!  Even on super-zoom, they just turn into smudges. 
 
Grrr..
-F-

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Here you go...

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And if there's only one toilet seat (yes one bathroom in how we grew up in, for 7 people), my mom would say...
 
"If you sprinkle when you tinkle, be a sweety and wipe the seaty!"
 
-F-

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