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How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:42 am
by Texican
How does "War Between the States" compare to "Blue and Gray" or "Forge of Freedom"? Any pros/cons?
Thanks.
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:27 am
by PyleDriver
Not really sure about the other games, But if you want a game that is fast and free flowing, get this one. These guys did a great Job. I've said this before, I'm not a big Civil War buff, but for 18 months, I've been sucked in...
[8D]
Jon
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:51 am
by Curious
Do a little looking around -- this has definitely been covered in this forum.
CB
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:41 pm
by tran505
And the award for "best music" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
"Forge of Freedom"
And the award for "best map" by a stragetic ACW game goes to....
"Blue and Gray"
And the award for "best combat resolution" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
"War Between the States"
And the award for "most playable hotseat" in a strategic ACW game goes to...
"War Between the States"
And the award for "coolest introductory sequence" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
"Forge of Freedom"
And the award for "best operatinal feel" in a strategic ACW game goes to...
"Blue and Gray"
And the award for "truest to subject matter" in a strategic ACW game goes to...
A tie, "War Between the Sates" and "Blue and Gray"
And the award for "most fun per hour" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
You pick. Who can argue with what you think is most fun. I would have a hard time picking between WBTS and B&G, but that is just me.
- P
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:35 pm
by Texican
ORIGINAL: tran505
And the award for "best music" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
"Forge of Freedom"
And the award for "best map" by a stragetic ACW game goes to....
"Blue and Gray"
And the award for "best combat resolution" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
"War Between the States"
And the award for "most playable hotseat" in a strategic ACW game goes to...
"War Between the States"
And the award for "coolest introductory sequence" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
"Forge of Freedom"
And the award for "best operatinal feel" in a strategic ACW game goes to...
"Blue and Gray"
And the award for "truest to subject matter" in a strategic ACW game goes to...
A tie, "War Between the Sates" and "Blue and Gray"
And the award for "most fun per hour" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
You pick. Who can argue with what you think is most fun. I would have a hard time picking between WBTS and B&G, but that is just me.
- P
Thanks. Very helpful reply.
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:23 pm
by tc237
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RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:16 am
by paplan
Follow up.
Which has the least micro-management?
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:46 am
by Pford
ORIGINAL: tran505
And the award for "best map" by a stragetic ACW game goes to....
"Blue and Gray"
C'mon that award has to go to AEGOD's game, with that Currier & Ives theme. Of course, it's a question of taste.
Personally, for gameplay, I find WBTS the most engrossing and deeply thought out. There's a lot of Mind here. I'd love to do a PBEM but I'm struggling on Normal settings with the AI.[8|]
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:57 am
by Bo Rearguard
ORIGINAL: Pford
ORIGINAL: tran505
And the award for "best map" by a stragetic ACW game goes to....
"Blue and Gray"
C'mon that award has to go to AEGOD's game, with that Currier & Ives theme. Of course, it's a question of taste.
Personally, for gameplay, I find WBTS the most engrossing and deeply thought out. There's a lot of Mind here. I'd love to do a PBEM but I'm struggling on Normal settings with the AI.[8|]
I believe the full grandiose title for AGEOD's game is
American Civil War 1861-65; The Blue and the Gray. Most people probably shorten it to Blue and Gray or AACW. So likely they did win best map for their 'Currier & Ives' cartography motif. [;)] [:D]
What do the award statues look like? Little Oscar-like Robert E. Lees? [:D]
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:51 pm
by Nibelung
Want a tactical game into your ACW one: WC Forge of Freedom
Want tons of historical details on setups and events: AGEOD ACW
Want abstracted but well designed/nicely flowing game: GG WBS!
Difficult to say which one is the best, they all have merits.
AS for the scale, it is also a matter of taste. Do you want a quick game (done in less than one week) or a long one (over a month for the campaign?). FOF has 250 regions, WBS 400 and AACW 2800... The rest follows on the same trend.
Anyway, they are all sold by Father Matrix [:'(]
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:23 pm
by Treefrog
Texican,
Your points are fine, but . . . (imagine the campfire scene in Gettysburg where General Pickett and his three brigade commanders are discussing the right to secede with the British Colonel)
. . . but sir, I put it to you this way. Imagine if all these games you mention were pretty women, sir. Now, conjure the image that one had marvelous hair, the next had striking eyes, and the last a beguiling smile. Sir, having kissed the first two, would you forego the chance to kiss the third? Well sir, these game are like those girls. Having experienced the first two, why would you forego the opportunity to savor the third."
Treefrog, happily married to the fourth girl.
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:31 pm
by tran505
I think treefrog has provided the definitive comparative analysis! We all tremble before your "searing intellect". [&o]
P
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:13 pm
by Texican
ORIGINAL: Treefrog
Texican,
Your points are fine, but . . . (imagine the campfire scene in Gettysburg where General Pickett and his three brigade commanders are discussing the right to secede with the British Colonel)
. . . but sir, I put it to you this way. Imagine if all these games you mention were pretty women, sir. Now, conjure the image that one had marvelous hair, the next had striking eyes, and the last a beguiling smile. Sir, having kissed the first two, would you forego the chance to kiss the third? Well sir, these game are like those girls. Having experienced the first two, why would you forego the opportunity to savor the third."
Treefrog, happily married to the fourth girl.
Or General Longstreet to Lee: "Sir, I don't believe any 15,000 men every assembled for battle can figure out those game mechanics."
(kidding)
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:23 pm
by Erik Rutins
ORIGINAL: Treefrog
Your points are fine, but . . . (imagine the campfire scene in Gettysburg where General Pickett and his three brigade commanders are discussing the right to secede with the British Colonel)
. . . but sir, I put it to you this way. Imagine if all these games you mention were pretty women, sir. Now, conjure the image that one had marvelous hair, the next had striking eyes, and the last a beguiling smile. Sir, having kissed the first two, would you forego the chance to kiss the third? Well sir, these game are like those girls. Having experienced the first two, why would you forego the opportunity to savor the third."
Brilliant, I agree this is the perfect answer.
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:31 pm
by PyleDriver
Well, lets not share that with our wives. We won't make it to see the sunshine tomarrow. Guess we just have to stick to wargames...lol...
[8D]
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:27 pm
by joey
I am a great fan of WITP and GG's BOB and BTR. Would I be a fan of this game? I like both a tactical and strategic operatons as well as a lot of micromanaging. If it is controllable, I would like to control it.... So is this a game for me?
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:00 pm
by PyleDriver
What makes this game stand out, is leader apointments. So it does take alot of thought of when and where they go. You don't get to control Tac battles, but who you appoint has everything to do with results. You will never regret getting this game...
[8D]
Jon
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:54 pm
by heroldje
i would say people looking for a very in depth experience would be disappointed with this game. the campaigns can be finished in a few days, and are abstracted to a pretty high level. theres absolutely nothing wrong with that, but for those who like to have their hands on all the controls, this might not appeal to you.
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:02 pm
by PyleDriver
Herold, do you own this game? I don't have the others so I can't talk about them. This is Gary at his best agian, of course Joel and Keith did there part also.
[8D]
Jon
RE: How does this game compare to others?
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:54 am
by heroldje
yes i own it, and i enjoy it quite a bit. in fact, i just beat the union campaign for the first time tonight. it helped that i captured R.E. Lee in 1862
my point was that this game approaches the civil war from a high level, and does not bog down in details. people looking for a game like that would be better served wtih AGEOD imo.