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Has there been any thought about changing the victory point cost of ships vs planes guns ect? I have always thought that ships were undervalued in the game. I just dont get that an AP might be worth 15 points or less. How many artillery pieces could be made with the steel of even a small sized ship? Only 15? I think both sides would be less likley to do crazy things in an ahistoric manner if the VP's for ships were multiplied by a large factor maybe even 10. Having said that I have alway said that the Number one problem for this game is the fact that we have no cure for hindsight. But I still love WITP and think its the best try ever for a computer WWII game.

The VP value per ship is directly linked to it's durability. It would be simple to increase the durabiity of the ships and thus to increase it's VP....
 
Problem would be that it would take FOREVER to sink just such an Super AK, let alone a Yamato with 10X it's durability.....  

ORIGINAL: wild_Willie2

The VP value per ship is directly linked to it's durability. It would be simple to increase the durabiity of the ships and thus to increase it's VP....

Problem would be that it would take FOREVER to sink just such an Super AK, let alone a Yamato with 10X it's durability.....  

Should be a simple data value change in a table of constants somewhere. The VP value of a ship should be at least the value of its crew. The crew of a capital ship was about the size of a regiment and more highly trained. The cost of building a ship was much greater than the cost of equipping a regiment. The Yamato, for example, had as much high quality steel as 3000 tanks. Add the two together.

Ship victory points=durability x (variable)
 
Where the variable is a number based on the ship's class.  Major warships could get a higher variable, while common merchant ships could perhaps get a 2.  It seems kind of simple a procedure to me; by writing the definition this way, the durability remains as is for every other calculation that needs that value.

Versus WitP, I would be very much in favor of reducing the VPs for destroyed aircraft or increasing the VPs for sunk shipping.

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

Ship victory points=durability x (variable)

Where the variable is a number based on the ship's class.  Major warships could get a higher variable, while common merchant ships could perhaps get a 2.  It seems kind of simple a procedure to me; by writing the definition this way, the durability remains as is for every other calculation that needs that value.

Yes, but.

There are other factors involved that help determine the value of a ship. Tonnage, capacity (aircraft for some, troops for others, cargo or liquid..).

If we were to determine a proper "value" for a ship, should it not be related to the loss of it's capability?

ORIGINAL: esteban

Versus WitP, I would be very much in favor of reducing the VPs for destroyed aircraft or increasing the VPs for sunk shipping.

Amen! Destroying 8 Idas on the ground shouldn't be the same as sinking a Destroyer. AE will model increased OPS Losses, which is great, except that we're likely to see the OPS LOSSES category alone equal as many points by 1944 as sinking 6 CVs.

Hi guys! So, have the VP values been tweaked up for shipping and maybe multiengined aircraft?[;)]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Hi guys! So, have the VP values been tweaked up for shipping and maybe multiengined aircraft?[;)]

Who are you???[;)]

Sir Ronald the Sour Ache (er) of PetieOh.

Ron was a member of the original WITP Beta Team (IIRC).

Ron was a founding agitator of the CHS Team.

Ron is the founding member of the WITP Griper Fan Boi Club.

Ron is an x-bar-keep from Canada.

Ron is a current resident-visitor in the Ionian Islands!

(what have I left out?)

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Sir Ronald the Sour Ache (er) of PetieOh.

Ron was a member of the original WITP Beta Team (IIRC).

Ron was a founding agitator of the CHS Team.

Ron is the founding member of the WITP Griper Fan Boi Club.

Ron is an x-bar-keep from Canada.

Ron is a current resident-visitor in the Ionian Islands!

(what have I left out?)

"gasp" how about his love for how submarines are portrayed in this fine game?[;)]

Ron is King of ASW warfare gripping. [:D]

Apparently Greece has been too fun. We certainly don't see Ron here with the regularity that we did before the move... no more cold Canadian winters keeping him at the computer!

Actually, I just got cable internet at my pad in Argassi so when I go back in a few months to open my beach bar in April I can haunt this forum and hopefully play PBEM AE...assuming it comes out fairly soon.[8D][:D]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Hi guys! So, have the VP values been tweaked up for shipping and maybe multiengined aircraft?[;)]

You already owe us all a bottle of Retsina for making the sub shils 'full hull'. So what more do you want ?

Shipping becomes toast, production grinds to a screeching halt, it takes motors to build multimotor airplanes, which the factories can't do, and you want VPs to boot ?? You are a hard man dude.

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Hi guys! So, have the VP values been tweaked up for shipping and maybe multiengined aircraft?[;)]

You already owe us all a bottle of Retsina for making the sub shils 'full hull'. So what more do you want ?

Shipping becomes toast, production grinds to a screeching halt, it takes motors to build multimotor airplanes, which the factories can't do, and you want VPs to boot ?? You are a hard man dude.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyy.....I've softened up alot John. I don't gripe much anymore anyway. Unfortunately, if ship crews were added the VPs would go up accordingly for ship damage and losses....hmmm...sounds like a mild gripe there.[;)]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyy.....I've softened up alot John. I don't gripe much anymore anyway. Unfortunately, if ship crews were added the VPs would go up accordingly for ship damage and losses....hmmm...sounds like a mild gripe there.[;)]

All you want big boy, c'mmon git some.

I got a brother in law from the Greek Islands, Jim Moutzalias, his family is still there (close on the Turkish side). You wanna go visiting, shoot me a email. Ciao Bro.

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Hi guys! So, have the VP values been tweaked up for shipping and maybe multiengined aircraft?[;)]

You already owe us all a bottle of Retsina for making the sub shils 'full hull'. So what more do you want ?

Shipping becomes toast, production grinds to a screeching halt, it takes motors to build multimotor airplanes, which the factories can't do, and you want VPs to boot ?? You are a hard man dude.

Retsina is dire $hit, IMHO [:-]...ask for ouzo !! [:D]

Welcome back Ron!
 
I've missed your cheerful banter on the forum!!!!

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Actually, I just got cable internet at my pad in Argassi so when I go back in a few months to open my beach bar in April I can haunt this forum and hopefully play PBEM AE...assuming it comes out fairly soon.[8D][:D]

Hide the women folk! [:D]

Welcome back, Ron! [8D]