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Ok so whats the best way to kill PT Boats?

My IJN CLs won't fire on them and my DDs are getting chewed up.
MY A6M2's occasionally attack them and then only do minor damage.
I have a sentai of ANN dive Bomers at the base in question (where my opponent kept sending his PT Boats in to) now the ANNs will attack his AKs and APs but won't go after the PT Boats. I even tried putting the ANNS on solely Naval Strike and limiting them to range 1 but still after several days (Clear weather) nothing.

I am going bonkers.

Aircraft at 100 feet altitude will attack PT boats. Anns, Zeros, also float planes. Even a small bomb from a float plane will do in a PT quite nicely. I suspect the altitude is your main problem here.

Give up. Abandon Koumac. There is no hope.
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So I need to set my Dive Bombers (or Float Planes) to 100 feet?

ORIGINAL: Coach Z

So I need to set my Dive Bombers (or Float Planes) to 100 feet?

ORIGINAL: bilbow

Aircraft at 100 feet altitude will attack PT boats. Anns, Zeros, also float planes. Even a small bomb from a float plane will do in a PT quite nicely. I suspect the altitude is your main problem here.

In the game I'm playing, zero's@100 are doing the trick nicely...Oscars to much less extent and float and DB's are also in the mix. High exp and good leaders can help too ... watch out for Op's losses though.

Remember that Fighter bombers will bomb PT's and barges even when set to 2000 feet...
 
So, get yourselve some FB's (if you already have them that is) and give them a naval attack order.....

Folks, dealing with PTs isnt THAT hard.  The way you kill PT boats is with destoryers....period.  It's what they were built for.  I have never in the many, many turns I've played, seen PTs best a surface fleet more often than the occassional fluke engagement.  It's just random dumb luck if they do.  Furthermore, I have seen MSW and PGs handle PTs quite nicely.  Any hit with a 3" gun will pretty much do in a PT boat made of plywood.  There is no need to send in cruisers.  They are not designed for small boat action.  Use destroyers.

Finally, yes, zeros do quite nice at attriting PT Boats.  If you have the time and no better missions for zeros to fly they will damage PTs pretty good.  Float planes, if within range are another way of damaging a PT boat.  A 60kg bomb will do quite a number on a PT boat...but again, it takes time.

An option I haven't tried yet is to form up a TF with a scout cruiser (with planes set to naval attack and some set to naval search) and attach 6 or so DDs.  That should be a force that could operate under any friendly air space and would be death to PT boat squadrons.

As a side note, from the reading I've done the single greatest danger to PT boats in the Solomons was moving through the uncharted waters.  I read somewhere more PTs were lost to running aground than to enemy fire.  The second biggest killer of PTs were places.  Usually float planes or the occassional fighter plane on patrol.  My opinion why this is different from WitP is that the typical PT mission had the boats operating alone or in a group with 1 or 2 other boats.  Most were not surface combat missions.

Destroyers were originally named "torpedo boat destroyers".  They were bigger, faster, had more and larger guns than the smaller torpedo boats, which had little more than some rapid fire guns and torpedoes.
 
Sort of like PT boats, in fact.  I agree that sending a TF of 2-4 DD's would do a number on even a large group of PT's, just as they did IRL.

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

Destroyers were originally named "torpedo boat destroyers".  They were bigger, faster, had more and larger guns than the smaller torpedo boats, which had little more than some rapid fire guns and torpedoes.

Sort of like PT boats, in fact.  I agree that sending a TF of 2-4 DD's would do a number on even a large group of PT's, just as they did IRL.

no, surely not like they did IRL. In the game (not just in my games, but in most of the AARs I´ve been reading too) you will lose one DD for 5 PTs sunk, another DD heavily damaged from cal .50 and 20mm Oerlikon fire. Of course there were not nearly as many encounters between PTs and DDs IRL like there are in the game.

When I sent an IJN CL & 2 Destroyers to take care of the problem...thinking things would be like IRL....BUt I got both DDs beat up and then one DD later finished off by the PTs all for the loss of 1 PT Boat.

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

Destroyers were originally named "torpedo boat destroyers". They were bigger, faster, had more and larger guns than the smaller torpedo boats, which had little more than some rapid fire guns and torpedoes.

Sort of like PT boats, in fact. I agree that sending a TF of 2-4 DD's would do a number on even a large group of PT's, just as they did IRL.

no, surely not like they did IRL. In the game (not just in my games, but in most of the AARs I´ve been reading too) you will lose one DD for 5 PTs sunk, another DD heavily damaged from cal .50 and 20mm Oerlikon fire. Of course there were not nearly as many encounters between PTs and DDs IRL like there are in the game.

I have never seen this personally. I have seen a posting of it once. It's my belief that it is an extreme case. Most PTs are sunk without ever firing a shot. I rarely see Japanese DDs go down due to PT torpedos. If I was an IJ player I would worry a lot more about the DD TF still being under allied air space during the daylight phase than I ever would that a PT was going to sink one.

Also odds matter. If you send in 2 DDs to attack 6 PTs you're asking to get one sunk. As you can imagine IRL PTs might well overwhelm the guns of a DD if they surge at once, so too can it happen in the game. To take on 6 PTs I would want 4+ DDs and if you're not worried about allied air daylight encounters are preferable.

Of course surprise matters as well, so recon, recon, recon. Raise the detection level of the PT group and reduce the chance of getting your DDs surprised.

ORIGINAL: Coach Z

When I sent an IJN CL & 2 Destroyers to take care of the problem...thinking things would be like IRL....BUt I got both DDs beat up and then one DD later finished off by the PTs all for the loss of 1 PT Boat.

How many PT boats? What were the conditions? Were the PTs spotted?

See also this thread from just a couple of weeks ago, Zeroes on Naval Attack Against PTs:
 
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1853318
 
 

Indeed.  I have not only seen it, I posted in it. [;)]

Yes the PT Boats were spotted, for several days previous. His PT Boat TFs spotted every turn.
I have a base @ Koumac, the PT's are based @ Noumea and we are fighting over La Foa on New Caledonia.
 
 
Here is one incident:
 
Night Time Surface Combat, near Koumac at 67,111

Japanese Ships
DD Yukaze, Shell hits 8,  on fire

Allied Ships
PT PT-115, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT PT-116
PT PT-118
PT PT-119
PT PT-120
 UNBELIEVABLE>>>53 SYS Damage from this incident!
 
They returned the next day and finished her off w/10 more shell hits and 1 torpedo.
 

well you can't expect good results with only one destroyer.

Coach.  I saw that result in the first post.  All I can say is very atypical.  I've never seen anything like it.  I have seen small caliber weapons start fires on tankers which leads to 10-20 sys damage, but never anything like that from 8 shell hits.  I'd say it's mostly a fluke.  I have seen 8 to 30 shell hits before.  Usually sys damage will be on the order of 0-10 from .50 cal and 20mm.

As a rule I would send more ships...whatever you have.  I would rather have 5 PGs trying to shoot at PTs than 1 DD.  

The small caliber weapon damage subroutines are all screwed up in this game.  I've sunk AK's using only the AA suite on a surfaced submarine (40mm and 20mm hits, no deck gun or torpedoes), and seen PT boats maul much bigger ships with their guns too.  Not seen as much damage from strafing planes vs ships but that's because I don't have them do that very often.
 
0.50 caliber machine guns shouldn't be disabling destroyer main gun turrets and creating floatation damage on any ship larger than a minesweeper, though.  For that matter, neither should 20mm or 40mm hits.

Well, they're made of plywood, so...
 
Termites!
 
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