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E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:45 am
by m10bob
This from I 25 bombed the U.S. twice in 1942.
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/h/1049/65/0
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:20 am
by FeurerKrieg
I-25's story was always interesting to me. (As evidenced by my sig.)
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:32 am
by Anthropoid
Do tell.
I knew about some subs lobbing some shells at a refinery in Santa Barbara, but did not know about any float planes attacks. Do tell.
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:34 am
by FeurerKrieg
Wiki - so don't take it as gospel, but here is a summary:
In June 1942, I-25 was patrolling the coast of Oregon, and shelled Battery Russell, a small coastal army installation within now decommissioned Fort Stevens. Damage was minimal. In fact, the only item of significance destroyed on the fort was a baseball backstop. On September 9, 1942, the crew again deployed the Glen, which dropped incendiary bombs over Oregon forest land, in the first ever time that the continental United States was bombed from the air, known as "The Lookout Air Raid". The goal was to trigger wildfires across the coast, but light winds, wet weather conditions and two quick acting Fire Lookouts kept the fires under control. In fact, had the winds been sufficiently brisk to stoke widespread forest fires, the lightweight Glen would have been unable to fly.
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:43 am
by Anthropoid
I vaguely recall reading something similar some years past, so we could consider that to be a primary corroboration. Now if we can get a secondary, I'd say it solid info!
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:59 am
by Brady
Its a prety famious event, the Glen atack on Oregon, I mean.
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:56 am
by FeurerKrieg
Yea, it certainly happened. I just don't like to quote from Wiki, but didn't feel like finding a more proper source.
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:28 am
by BrucePowers
If you are careful, you can find useful stuff on Wiki.
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:08 am
by Anthropoid
I love wiki; read it all the time. Wouldn't publish or perform surgery based on a wiki page, but for pretty much all other uses I'd say no problem.
So these things were from inside a submarine?
ADDIT: Okay, I see (I think) except for the I-400 class about which there was that thread a few days ago, all of these submarine-aircraft carriers have a single plane that is attached to the deck, so the sub cannot submerge while the plane is not deployed. Right?
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:44 am
by spence
In the game the GLEN is wasted performing bombing attacks or recon (its real life mission). The GLEN real game purpose is to search the wide open sea for Allied shipping and providing the IJN player with an invaluable strategic overview of the what the Allied Player is doing behind the "front lines".
Never mind that simple d= v x t calculations show that the GLEN could not possibly complete a search exceeding one hex radius around the sub within the two daylight phases (and complete only half of even that in each phase).
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:27 am
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: Anthropoid
I love wiki; read it all the time. Wouldn't publish or perform surgery based on a wiki page, but for pretty much all other uses I'd say no problem.
So these things were from inside a submarine?
ADDIT: Okay, I see (I think) except for the I-400 class about which there was that thread a few days ago, all of these submarine-aircraft carriers have a single plane that is attached to the deck, so the sub cannot submerge while the plane is not deployed. Right?
No.
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:40 pm
by Dili
Okay, I see (I think) except for the I-400 class about which there was that thread a few days ago, all of these submarine-aircraft carriers have a single plane that is attached to the deck, so the sub cannot submerge while the plane is not deployed. Right?
The planes are protected so the submarine can submerge.
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:43 pm
by Anthropoid
ORIGINAL: Dili
Okay, I see (I think) except for the I-400 class about which there was that thread a few days ago, all of these submarine-aircraft carriers have a single plane that is attached to the deck, so the sub cannot submerge while the plane is not deployed. Right?
The planes are protected so the submarine can submerge.
!?! Really!? What like a big plastic bag over the plane?? Or is the planes just made to be water-tight with plugs over the engine intakes and stuff??
It never ceases to amaze me how much more there is to know about this stuff.
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:05 pm
by FeurerKrieg
The plane is disassembled and placed in a mini-hanger located to the fore of the conning tower. The sub surfaces, the plane is assembled and launched off a rail-catapult.
Planes lands, craned back to the deck, disassembled and placed in the hanger. Sub submerges.
I have a great book on the subject that a friend of mine in the UK found and mailed to me. I have it in storage at the moment, so I don't have the name/author info. But I'll dig it out sometime and post some pics from it.
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:08 pm
by Dili
Anthropoid you can see in blueprint linked below the B1 submarine. In bottom side drawing you can see the line of Glen disassembled inside that bump in front of bridge.
http://rc-sub.com/resources/modelpics/B ... prints.jpg
See pics of a reduced model with opened Can:
http://piquetjm.free.fr/I28/I29/Maquett ... 0I-29.html
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:59 pm
by morganbj
My father-in-law had just finished training (Navy aircrew -- TBF Avenger Radio Operator/Gunner) and was on leave at home in Oregon when the coast artlllery battery was shelled. He immediately got orders to go to some small airstrip near Astoria where the Navy was going to send in some planes as a way to hunt for subs. I guess it was at the now Coast Guard Station there, but I don't know for sure. Maybe some of you know where it might have been. He drove his girlfriend's car there from Portland (my eventual mother-in-law), but after a few nights and no planes was sent home. Someone decided that that the whole thing was a stupid idea, he figured.
BTW, he rotated off the Princeton a week before it was sunk. That haunted him until the day he died. He said he didn't understand why he was lucky and a lot of guys he knew weren't.
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:22 am
by Taglia
ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg
...in the first ever time that the continental United States was bombed from the air, known as "The Lookout Air Raid"...
I tought this man made the first bombing in US

RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:59 pm
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Taglia
ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg
...in the first ever time that the continental United States was bombed from the air, known as "The Lookout Air Raid"...
I tought this man made the first bombing in US
Ahh...you mean the Battle of Los Angeles. Never before have so many fired so much at so little.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:08 am
by Anthropoid
ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg
The plane is disassembled and placed in a mini-hanger located to the fore of the conning tower. The sub surfaces, the plane is assembled and launched off a rail-catapult.
Planes lands, craned back to the deck, disassembled and placed in the hanger. Sub submerges.
I have a great book on the subject that a friend of mine in the UK found and mailed to me. I have it in storage at the moment, so I don't have the name/author info. But I'll dig it out sometime and post some pics from it.
THAT is insane! Disassembling an airplane on the tiny little deck of a sub at sea during wartime!
RE: E14 Y Glen
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:03 am
by m10bob
ORIGINAL: Anthropoid
ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg
The plane is disassembled and placed in a mini-hanger located to the fore of the conning tower. The sub surfaces, the plane is assembled and launched off a rail-catapult.
Planes lands, craned back to the deck, disassembled and placed in the hanger. Sub submerges.
I have a great book on the subject that a friend of mine in the UK found and mailed to me. I have it in storage at the moment, so I don't have the name/author info. But I'll dig it out sometime and post some pics from it.
THAT is insane! Disassembling an airplane on the tiny little deck of a sub at sea during wartime!
But who have expected it?
That was the point.
The Glen was also used to scout over Australia.
Check out this site:
http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/japrecce/japrecce.htm