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Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:45 am
by el cid again
Why does a major Australian Air HQ start at Davenport Tasmania? Can it really be that is where it was organized?
RHS calls it RAAF Central Command/9 Group HQ - but it was probably just 9 Group in stock/CHS before.
Location slot 151. It has no location in stock = default location for Australia. So Davenport may have been from CHS - or I did it and don't remember why?

The real question is - where should the early war major RAAF HQ be located?

It appears 421215 in stock and 411215 in RHS. This causes another question: WHEN should there be a major RAAF Air HQ?

RAN HQ is at Sydney, starts the war in place, and seems consistent with Jane's and other OB data. Slot 188. It is static.
ANZAC command is at Melbourne, starts the war in place, and seems consistent with OB data. Slot 110.
Australian First Army is at Brisbane, starts the war in place, and seems consistent with OB data. Slot 115.
Australian I Corps is at Rockhampton, starts the war in place, and seems consistent with OB data. Slot 170.
Australian CDH (might be Central Defense HQ) is at Brisbane, starts the war in place, and seems consistent with OB data. Slot 214. It is static.

When did the RAAF Central Command Form? When did the RAAF 9 Group form?

RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:23 am
by Kereguelen
CHS has 9 Group RAAF with default location arriving 421215 (no change from stock).

Was formed in September 1942 for operations in New Guinea. Should probably start at Townsville on 420915 (because it was originally formed under RAAF North-Eastern Area).

RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:31 pm
by el cid again
What about the RAAF Central Command HQ? When was there a central air HQ functioning - or was there?

RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:35 am
by jcjordan
This is about the only ref I've found so far to the RAAF Central but from what I've gathered there was an Allied Air command under SWPac & Oz was divided mostly into air defense regions similar to Britain w/ 10,11,12,13 group named NE, East, South, West & NW areas. I've got some more links I could go through to see but this is the closest directly mentioning it -
 
http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/raaf/raafcahq.htm

RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:33 pm
by el cid again
OK - thanks. Looks like - in AE - with more slots - we should add four more group HQ. We probably should also create a 9 Group independent of Central. For RHS WITP we probably should not have a 9 Group at all - but just Central. Any data on when the four other groups formed up - or where exactly?

RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:18 pm
by jcjordan
NE - Townsville 2/23/42
E - Sydney 5/15/42
S - probably Adelaide maybe Melbourne still working on date but seems to be early 42
W - probably Perth            WOD
NW - Coomalie Creek or Darwin   WOD

No 9 Group seems to be formed from parts of NE command that were operating w/ SWPac not just home guard units so you might want to keep that & make it attached to SWPac when formed & the others to Australia's Home Command as that's the role they served.

Well in doing some more research it looks like most HQ's should come around 5/11/42 when Brett & McArthur started organizing Australia for defense in reading this but there was a command structure already in place in 39 divided along the same lines but were combined HQ (air/land/sea) for defense of OZ based on the same locations/ports

http://www.awm.gov.au/cms_images/histor ... ers/24.pdf

RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:25 am
by el cid again
First -

RAAF No 36 Squadron should form 420311 at Sydney with C-32 (DC-2) aircraft (vice DC-3 and vice 420317.
Air group Slot 1506.

Second -

Australian I Corps will be deleted. There were also II and III Corps - and lacking slots for all - we will not use this level of command - freeing up location slot 170.

Third -

Australian Central Air HQ (slot 151) is one of 5 regional commands we don't have slots for - so we won't use the slot that way. The Australian command for air is confusing - changes a lot - and integrated with USAAF from early 1942. One possibility (which fits the pattern of use the first arrangement - but which didn't last as such) is to create No 1 Command at Darwin and No 2 Command at Townsville - both 4 March 1942. This slot was used for 9 Group in CHS and stock - but there are many groups - and we lack slots for them - so this layer of command should also be ignored in this version of WITP. Using the 1 and 2 HQ - which were mobile - may be the best compromise given slot limits.


RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:06 am
by el cid again
Fourth -

RAAF No 34 Squadron - pre dates the war - and should not wait until 1942 to appear. Indeed - it should start at Singapore with Blenheim Is - and upgrade to Blenheim IVs (by which time IRL it was in India). It is somewhat incorrectly shown as an air transport unit - although it began as one: by the time PTO erupts into war it is a bomber unit. This is air group slot 1504. Aircraft type 171 upgrading to 173.

Fifth - RAAF No 35 Squadron - air group slot 1505 - should be based at Perth from March 11 (vice March 3) 1942 - and should start with the aircraft type 132 (which represents all light Allied air transports in RHS). It should upgrade to Dakota as shown. It should base at Perth (location 760) vice Melbourne.

Sixth there should be a peculiar American Air unit with an Aussie commander (Group Captain Paul I Gunn) operating several aircraft with a designation that is short for Directorate of Air Transport, Army Air Forces, Southwest Pacific Area.
DAT/AAF/SWPA perhaps? This unit has one flight of LB-30s (B-24 conversions for transport), a main body of Type 195 (C-32/36/39/40 and BT-2) representing C-39s and C-53s - and oddly a flight of B-18s. This forms on an unknown date in January 1941 - so we will use 420115. The main unit will use air group slot 2357. The LB-30 fligth 2358. OK - C-53 = C-47 = Dakota - so we will have a flight of thos in 2357 and move the LB-30s to 2358. The C-39 = DC-2 - so we have the right unit. Probably 8 C-32s - 4 C-47s and 3 LB-30s - with max size of 8 - 4 and 4 = 16 or SOP for a squadron. The DC-2s upgrade to Dakota eventually.

This is complex: when formed there were no LB-30s - but these appear by January 1942 inventory.
There were originally 5 C-53s - and 3 more DC-3s were bought by 18 May - so the main slot will be 5 Dakotas which may increase to 8 (slot 2357) appearing 411222. Slot 2359 will be LB-30s - 3 to start but 4 max - the latter actually being a B-17E appearing 15 Jan 42. Slot 2358 will be 3 DC-2s with a max of 6 on 411222. Slot 2360 will be 3 C-60s appearing 18 May 42. Unlike most air units - ALL these machines will start DISABLED. When taken over they were in bad shape - and the 5 C-53s were actually crated aboard ship. One thing - the B-18s were from the Philippines - but we are showing no B-18 units in the Philippines. I wonder if we have all missed a unit - or if they were hacks?

A number of air transport squadrons also were formed - both RAAF and USAAF - assigned to this command. The first RAAF unit was No 36 Squadron. The first USAAF units were the 21st and 22nd Air Transport Squadrons. Since these units are listed separately - they will not be included in the new slots. And 11 Dutch transports - already in RHS under a Dutch unit - were bought by the US and assigned to this formation in spring, 1942. From the beginning - 10 Dutch civil airline pilots were part of the command. So in a sense - this was a very Allied operation - and it was a very ad hoc collection.

The Brisbane Supply Sink - location slot 3338 - will add 22 disabled air support squads.


RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:18 pm
by Herrbear
ORIGINAL: el cid again

Fourth -

RAAF No 34 Squadron - pre dates the war - and should not wait until 1942 to appear. Indeed - it should start at Singapore with Blenheim Is - and upgrade to Blenheim IVs (by which time IRL it was in India). It is somewhat incorrectly shown as an air transport unit - although it began as one: by the time PTO erupts into war it is a bomber unit. This is air group slot 1504. Aircraft type 171 upgrading to 173.

I think you are mistaken on this Cid. The Blenheim squadron showing at Singapore at the beginning is the RAF 34 Squadron not the RAAF 34th Squadron.

RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:38 pm
by el cid again
Possibly the RAF also lists it. I got it from RAAF listings. It says the unit operated at Singapore until worn out equipment forced evacuation to India, where it refitted on Blenheim IV. Then it recommitted to battle until more or less the same thing happened again. Then it went to Australia where it reformed yet again - on the same equipment - but apparently new production. Late in the war it rearmed with Thunderbolts. All this data under the same unit heading indicates it is the same unit. The unit itself was created before WWII - on very light transports (DH84, DH87 etc) - and it refitted with Blenheim Is prior to PTO breaking out. It was created in Australia - not in UK. One assumes RAAF knows its own unit lineage. There were, however, units of RAF with RAAF personnell - and in a grander sense - all CW air arms were branches of RAF - with cross assignment of senior officers in particular. Thus - when PTO erupted into war - the chief of RAAF was an RAF officer. For these reasons, references often (and only partially) cross list. Thus my RAF aircraft reference SOMETIMES tells about CW air force assignments - but not always. Just about everything related to British military organization is complicated and changes over time - and it is very hard to model it well with a rigid data set. I believe you are reading what you are reading - and it is more or less normal to have RAF list units even if entirely staffed by some CW air force. There may even be some formal reason for that in this case - as there is for three or four fighter units.

RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:16 pm
by JeffroK
Sid, learn to listen to people, have a good look at sources before making a mistake.

Wjere did you get the info about the mysterious pre war RAAF 34 Sqn, did you check it??

From http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/raaf/34sqn.htm
[center]34 SQUADRON RAAF
IN AUSTRALIA DURING WW2
[/center] [center]Image[/center] [align=center] [font="arial"]visits since 13 September 2003[/font] [/align]   [font="arial"]34 Squadron RAAF was hurriedly formed at Darwin Civilian airfield at Parap in the Northern Territory on 23 February 1942, four days after the first Japanese air raids on Darwin on 19 February 1942. It initially comprised 2 officers, 4 airmen and two DH-84 Dragon aircraft. The Dragons were initially used to transport freight and Japanese prisoners. The small group were accommodated in the temporary hutted camp at Parap airfield.[/font] [font="arial"]On 1 March 1942, Flight Lieutenant F.H. Waters along with 10 airmen joined 34 Squadron. Waters became the Adjutant for 34 Squadron. Flight Lieutenant J.W. Warwick was the first acting Commanding Officer of the unit. This was decided at a meeting of the officers on 2 March 1942.[/font] [font="arial"]On 3 March 1942 one of the Dragons was destroyed by fire during a Japanese air raid on Wyndham airfield in Western Australia. The other Dragon had become unserviceable. The Air Board was requested to send them any spare aircraft that were available.[/font] [font="arial"]34 Squadron drove to Daly Waters airfield in the Northern Territory on 5 March 1942 where they established their Headquarters in a tent. They received another Dragon aircraft on 14 March 1942. They carried out freight flights to Batchelor, Birdum, Darwin and Millingimbi. This Dragon also proved to be very unreliable and the Squadron was allotted two Avro Ansons on 26 April 1942.[/font] [font="arial"]The Squadron then moved to Batchelor airfield in the Northern Territory on 13 May 1942. By then, they had  received the two Avro Ansons and two Tiger Moths.  By the end of May 1942, 34 Squadron comprised:-[/font]
    [size="2"]
  • [font="arial"] 6 Officers[/font]
  • [font="arial"]13 NCO's[/font]
  • [font="arial"]15 Airmen[/font] [/size]
In late June 1942, one of the two Tiger Moths made an emergency landing 10 miles south of Katherine. The Tiger Moth was left in the bush for a few days and unfortunately it was destroyed in a bush fire on 1 July 1942. [font="arial"]They were on the move again to Hughes airfield (32 Mile) in the Northern Territory on 15 July 1942. [/font] [font="arial"]Just over a month later, they moved to Manbullo airfield in the Northern Territory on 27 August 1942. [/font] [font="arial"]On 13 December 1942, the aircraft of 34 Squadron were allocated to 6 Communications Flight RAAF. [/font] [font="arial"]34 Squadron reformed at Parafield in South Australia on 3 January 1943. By then it had 11 Officers, 85 Airmen and 8 aircraft.[/font] [font="arial"]By 1 February 1943 the Squadron's strength had reduced to 4 Officers and 66 Airmen, and only three DH-84 Dragons. The Squadron flew to the following locations from Parafield:-[/font]
    [size="2"]
  • [font="arial"]Alice Springs[/font]
  • [font="arial"]Batchelor[/font]
  • [font="arial"]Daly Waters[/font]
  • [font="arial"]Katherine[/font]
  • [font="arial"]Mt. Eba[/font]
  • [font="arial"]Oodnadatta[/font]
  • [font="arial"]Port Pirie[/font]
  • [font="arial"]Tennant Creek[/font] [/size]
On 11 March 1943, one of the Squadron's DH-84 Dragons crashed after taking off at Parafield airfield, killing the crew of two. In April 1943, another DH-84 Dragon from 34 Squadron made a forced landing 30 miles from Tennant Creek and was destroyed by fire.  [font="arial"]Squadron Leader O.B. Hall took over as the Commanding Officer of 34 Squadron in May 1943. By June 1943, the Squadron had received three new C-47 Dakotas to supplement its two DH-84 Dragons. By now there were 12 Officers and 59 airmen on the Squadron's books. The C-47's now allowed the Squadron to fly to further away places like Exmouth, Geraldton, Kalgoorlie and Onslow.[/font] [font="arial"]By the end of July 1943 the squadron had five C-47 Dakotas. Its DH-84 Dragons had been reallocated to other units. By August 1943 they had 7 Dakotas and the unit strength had increased to 47 Officers and 106 Airmen. By the end of 1943 they had also been allocated  an Airspeed Oxford and a Douglas DC-2.[/font] [font="arial"]On 17 March 1944, Squadron Leader R.W. Shiel took over as the new Commanding Officer. By May 1944, the Squadron was so busy that they had to start a night shift for maintenance activities.[/font] [font="arial"]On 1 June 1944, 34 Squadron RAAF became the first RAAF Operational Squadron to have WAAAF's posted to it. It received 1 Officer and 20 Airwomen.[/font] [font="arial"]A detachment of three C-47 Dakotas was posted to Batchelor airfield in the Northern Territory in June 1944 to fly freight anywhere between Broome in Western Australia, Garbutt airfield in Townsville and Archerfield airfield in Brisbane. They carried out a daily courier service to Townsville. A similar daily service was operated between Parafield and Darwin.[/font] [font="arial"]In August 1944, the three C-47's from Batchelor airfield and two C-47's from Parafield relocated to Archerfield airfield in Brisbane to carryout special flights to New Guinea. On 16 September 1944, the three C-47's from Batchelor airfield returned to Parafield.[/font] [font="arial"]In early October 1944, 34 Squadron was allocated the courier run between Parafield and Archerfield and the Stores run between Parafield and Mascot airfield in Sydney. In mid October 1944, 34 Squadron took over the daily Courier service between Parafield and Darwin and any other allocated special operations. They positioned one C-47 Dakota in Darwin during this period.[/font] [font="arial"]Also in mid October 1944, three C-47's and four air crews were detached to Higgins Field in north Queensland for special operations to Hollandia, Noemfoor, Tadji and other locations. They relocated to Garbutt airfield in early November 1944. They relocated back to Parafield on 13 November 1944.[/font] [font="arial"]In late November 1944, three C-47's were detached to Coomalie airfield in the Northern Territory. In December 1944, the C-47 located in Darwin started to make flights to the Halmaheras.[/font] [font="arial"]34 Squadron started to move to Morotai on 15 February 1945. They became fully operational at Morotai on 12 April 1945.[/font] [font="arial"]34 Squadron was eventually disbanded at Richmond airfield in New South Wales on 6 June 1946.[/font]   REFERENCE BOOK "Flying Squadrons of the Australian Defence Force"
By Steve Eather "Units of the Royal Australian Air Force, a Concise History"
"Volume 4 Maritime and Transport Units"
Compiled by the RAAF Historical Section

Dont blame the complexity of CW OOBs, its the lack of research on your behalf that makes the mistakes.


RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:40 am
by el cid again
Perhaps you think I just make it up?

It may or may not be that sources agree with each other - and I certainly am willing to look at yours. But that is different than just listening to an allegation without a source. I didn't make it up - and changing it without a source isn't justified. Submitting a source is a different matter - and justifies more research.

RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:57 am
by el cid again
Reviewing the unit change notes, I found one erattum almost immediately: 32 Squadron RAAF formed up on the date said with the equipment said - but at Port Moresby vice Sydney.

It appears that the unit I described is - as you said - an RAF Squadron - vice an RAAF squadron. It appears that this unit already is in the data set in that form as well. It appears your material is substantially similar to the unit history - with the notable exception of the disbandment of the unit - which in fact seems not to have happened (else it reformed). Apparently the unit still exists - operating 5 machines of two types today.

The unit can upgrade to Dakotas. I could start with Ansons or perhaps a C-32 (we lack DH aircraft to assign). Players probably will upgrade to Dakota's too soon - and will expand it way too fast: perhaps we should form it later when it is useful? Working on it.

The unit disbanded in Dec 1942 without ever having migrated to a significant aircraft in game terms - nor even to a significant number of machines. It reformed in January 1943 - still on Dragons - but at least it had 8 of them These soon dwindled to only 3 - but later in the year it became a Dakota unit at last. I think it is in this form the unit achieves game significance. In its second incarnation it formed at Adelaide.
It isn't so serious if the unit expands too fast or convertes to Dakotas in 1943 - when it finally did manage to do that. We should not count its earlier 1942 incarnation however - when it would best be modeled by 1 C-32 or 2 Ansons - who wants a unit like that anyway? Permitting it to expand in 1942 would not be good modeling - and it is too small to be meaningful in that year. Unusually the unit should have a max size of 8.
[In Aug 1943 it had 7 Dakota's and 1 C-47 for example]. We can start it at half that size - 4 C-32s are more or less the same cargo as 8 Dragons.

RE: Aussie Air Groups

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:05 am
by Reg
el cid again
OK - thanks. Looks like - in AE - with more slots - we should add four more group HQ. We probably should also create a 9 Group independent of Central. For RHS WITP we probably should not have a 9 Group at all - but just Central. Any data on when the four other groups formed up - or where exactly?

From: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1514675&mpage=1&key=&#1515511 which strangely enough has already posted this information for you. [;)]

The RAAF upper level unit organisation was constantly changing for political and personality reasons as well as adapting to the changing strategic situation and the division of responsibilities with USAAF forces. A further complication was the presence of the Generals Macarthur and Kenny who both imposed their influence on the conduct of RAAF affairs. Reading the histories (see the references below) you can see that it became an endless battle of wills between between the War Cabinet (Curtin), the Air Board (Drakeford), Chief of Air Staff (Jones), the RAAF Command (Bostock), the US Generals, the South Pacific geography and occasionally the Japanese had some inflence as well.

I would be hard pressed to describe all the changes to the RAAF organisation over this period, let alone trying to model it with any degree of accuracy. El Sid, I wish you well in the endeavor.

For your information I have attached brief(??) extracts of the Group histories so you can see an outline of their development. (Squadron histories are easy to find but higher units are a bit harder to come by...)

A potted history of No.9 (Operational) Group
Official Histories - Volume I - Royal Australian Air Force, 1939-1942 page 588.

The exception among the R.A.A.F. operational units to come under the control of R.A.A.F. Command were, as mentioned, all Australian operational air units serving in New Guinea. These units, originally controlled from North-Eastern Area Headquarters, had already been brought within the control of a R.A.A.F. group-No. 9 Operational Group-which had been formed on 1st September 1942 to provide what in effect was a mobile offensive force. Under the strong leadership of Group Captain Garing, its first commanding officer, the group quickly achieved cohesion among the R.A.A.F's operational squadrons, forming them into an effective striking force at the most critical combat period in the New Guinea campaign. Initially the group came under the operational control of Allied Air Forces Headquarters, a control soon to be exercised by Whitehead as Commander of Advanced Echelon, Fifth Air Force.

Official Histories - Volume I - Royal Australian Air Force, 1939-1942 page 633.

At Port Moresby the R.A.A.F's No. 9 Operational Group had been working at full pressure during these operations and in close harmony with Whitehead's Advance Echelon of the Fifth Air Force. As Garing saw
the group's purpose it was that of a mobile task force for service with the forward elements of the main Allied forces-a role for which he, as commander, was admirably suited. In organisation, as he saw it, the immediate objective was a seven-squadron formation. At the end of October 1942 he had under his command only four of these units- a torpedo-bomber unit (No . 100 Beaufort Squadron), a long-range fighter unit (No. 30 Squadron), an attack bomber, or, as the R.A.A.F. termed it, "intruder" unit-No. 22 (Boston) Squadron only then moving in
from the mainland-and a general reconnaissance unit-No . 6 (Hudson) Squadron which had moved from Horn Island that month. The other three squadrons Garing considered necessary to give his force tactical balance were a dive bomber unit, and two escort fighter squadrons, one for medium-altitude and one for high-altitude operations.

Official Histories - Volume II - Air War Against Japan, 1943-1945 page 24.

When formed in 1942, No. 9 Group had only operational control of the squadrons in New Guinea, administrative control being exercised by North-Eastern Area, with headquarters at Townsville, Queensland. However, on 1st January 1943, No . 9 Group became a separate command and Hewitt had complete operational and administrative control of it. In February 1943, Air Force Headquarters issued orders setting up two subordinate wing headquarters within the group: No. 71 at Milne Bay and No. 73 at Port Moresby.

Official Histories - Volume II - Air War Against Japan, 1943-1945 page 198.

Concurrently with the withdrawal of No. 10 Group from Nadzab, Kenney was reorganising areas of responsibility . On 26th February he had issued instructions that by 1st March, Bostock's command was to take over control of No. 9 Operational Group, but not its tactical units (except one Beaufort squadron). At the same time he extended the responsibility of R.A.A.F. Command to include the Port Moresby-Milne Bay areas, for which, up to then, the Fifth Air Force had been responsible. This was an extension of the area system of command prevailing on the mainland of Australia. Bostock was to take over anti-submarine patrol and passive defence measures and set up at Port Moresby operational training facilities for R.A.A.F. crews who were to join operational squadrons in the South-West Pacific Area.
After this reorganisation, Bostock, on 2nd March, informed Air Force Headquarters that he desired the title of No. 9 Group changed to "Northern Area" and the title of No. 10 Group changed to "Tactical Air Force, R.A.A.F. ". He also proposed "to seek the approval of the Commander, Allied Air Forces, for the transfer of the maximum number of squadrons from the defensive areas to the Tactical Air Force". The effect of this policy would be to reduce No. 9 Group to a line of communication are a similar to those in Australia, and build up No. 10 Group to a large mobile tactical force.


A potted history of No.10 (Operational) Group
Official Histories - Volume II - Air War Against Japan, 1943-1945 page 182.

The two R.A.A.F. organisations which controlled nearly all the experienced squadrons in contact with the enemy were North-Western Area and No. 9 Group. At the end of 1943 the North-Western Area force was committed to the dual task of defending northern Australia and aiding New Guinea operations by attacking the Japanese rear and flank. Earlier the R.A.A.F. had intended that No. 9 Group should be a mobile force capable of rapid movement, but in fact it was not. It had become a standard area force, similar to those of other R.A.A.F. areas on the mainland, and its mobility was limited. Air Vice-Marshal Bostock proposed that its name be changed to "Northern Area" so that its function would be better understood.
In September 1943 General Kenney asked Bostock to provide him with a mobile Australian force . By that time the R.A.A.F. had received more than 100 Vultee Vengeance dive bombers . It was therefore decided that the new force would consist of a dive bomber wing and a fighter wing, with their servicing and other necessary units. The fighters would protect the dive bombers during their attack missions. The group was to be ready for action at the end of 1943, and would probably be assigned to the New Britain area.
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On 13th November Air Force Headquarters issued orders creating the new formation, which was to be known as No. 10 (Operational) Group. It was assigned as a subordinate force within No. 9 (Operational) Group. The units placed under the new group were:

No. 10 (Operational) Group Headquarters (Group Captain Scherger)
No. 13 Signals Unit.
No. 25 Stores Unit.
No. 11 R.A.A.F. Postal Unit.
No. 10 Replenishing Centre.
No. 7 Transport and Movements Office.
No. 2 Malaria Control Unit.
No. 77 Wing Headquarters (Wing Commander Fyfe)
No. 21 Dive Bomber Squadron.
No. 23 Dive Bomber Squadron.
No. 24 Dive Bomber Squadron.
No. 47 Operational Base Unit.
No. 11 Repair and Salvage Unit.
No. 23 Medical Clearing Station.
No. 78 Wing Headquarters (Wing Commander Brookes)
No. 80 Fighter Squadron.
No. 452 Fighter Squadron.
No. 457 Fighter Squadron.
No. 111 Fighter Sector Headquarters.
No. 48 Operational Base Unit.
No. 22 Repair and Salvage Unit.
No. 24 Medical Clearing Station.

Some of these units were not yet in existence and had to be formed and ready for movement by 1st December. Shipping was asked for to transport the group from Brisbane on 1st December. Preparing the group within five weeks posed a difficult problem and in spite of great efforts the departure from Australia had to be postponed until 1st January 1944.

See the final entry for No.9 Group for the next stage of No.10 Group's evolution.
(Note the embedded Operational Base Units in the Wings to support their mobile role).

No.11 (Operational) Group

Formed out of elements of Tactical Air Force and Northern Command in July 1945 on Morotai, it was too late to take over it's responsibilities before the war ended. The 1st TAF had started to 'bog down' and this organisation was intended to free the force of it's 'administrative tail' and carry out garrison tasks. The initial sphere of influence was to include Dutch territory, British North Borneo and Sarawak.

RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:47 am
by Reg
ORIGINAL: el cid again

Reviewing the unit change notes, I found one erattum almost immediately: 32 Squadron RAAF formed up on the date said with the equipment said - but at Port Moresby vice Sydney.

It appears that the unit I described is - as you said - an RAF Squadron - vice an RAAF squadron. It appears that this unit already is in the data set in that form as well. It appears your material is substantially similar to the unit history - with the notable exception of the disbandment of the unit - which in fact seems not to have happened (else it reformed). Apparently the unit still exists - operating 5 machines of two types today.

Still alive and well though your information is about 5 years old.

RAAF Museum: Squadrons of the RAAF


RE: Aussie Air HQ

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:30 pm
by el cid again
A general review of RAAF data showed some eratta (too many damaged plus undamaged planes) and unit max value often is less than 16 - more generally 12 for non fighters - occasionally 8.