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How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:03 pm
by kirk23_MatrixForum
Hello folks,
I would like to see a computer game based on General Custer and the 7th calvary, trying to restore order against the Sioux and all the other Red Indian tribes, you could have all them civilians attempting to move in big waggon trains,searching for new land to live in and grow crops or build big ranches for herds of cattle ?
With the Indians attempting to drive them from there land.[:)]
Battle of the little big horn could be a scenario.[:D]
Anyone from Matrix interested in creating a game all about this period in Americas history, yes, no, maybe perhaps?[8D]
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:24 pm
by leastonh1
ORIGINAL: hellfirejet
With the Indians attempting to drive them from there land.[:)]
I thought it was the other way around?
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:35 pm
by old man of the sea
my advice is to lock this up.
Genocide is not the theme for a game in my opinion.
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RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:03 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Pretty despicable idea, to be sure...
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:13 pm
by leastonh1
hellfirejet - This is a polite suggestion. Read up on American history and then you'll understand why people here would get so upset with your original post.
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:24 pm
by jjax
Worst idea i've heard in a long time.....
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:39 pm
by Dennistoun
ORIGINAL: jjax
Worst idea i've heard in a long time.....
Was the bit about being from Scotland edited?
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:44 pm
by jjax
ORIGINAL: teddy
ORIGINAL: jjax
Worst idea i've heard in a long time.....
Was the bit about being from Scotland edited?
Yep.....I was going to say that being from scotland (and over seas in general) may excuse an individual from knowing how sensitive those type of issues are for us North Americans. But then again, it is probably not much of a stretch for you to figure it out on your own....so i took it out.
Don't worry...it wasn't a jab at scots
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:16 pm
by KG Erwin
"How The West Was Won?" A good live album by Led Zeppelin.
Otherwise speaking, a thread worthy of burial.
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:30 pm
by kirk23_MatrixForum
Ok folks,
I opologise I did not mean to offend anyone[:(] I just like all them western movies!
How does it differ from the Union v Confederate situation? Matrix have game relating to that.
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:40 pm
by hadberz
If your looking for US Indians wars wargames, This is the only one that I know of that's still for sell, Custers Last Command
http://www.jlssg.com/custer.html
Age of Rifles has scenarios covering the US Indians wars, but good luck finding it for sell anywhere.
Any new wargame on the subject should focus on the military aspects of the conflict.
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:42 pm
by KG Erwin
The truth is that this aspect of American history evokes very strong emotional responses, so we are not yet ready for that type of game. The closest we have is Wars in America (BOA2), in which Native Americans are combatants. Check it out.
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:48 pm
by kirk23_MatrixForum
Hello KG Erwin,
You do not have to explain about the early history of America, Scotland v England have had our share off history as well, again I opologise if I have upset anyone that was the last thing I would want to do sorry guys [:(]
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:13 pm
by V22 Osprey
Dang, you guys got all riled up over nothing.....hellfirejet odviously wasn't talking about genocide but was tell he would like to see battles after the Civil War as the US began to expand west, don't see whats so ''despicable'' about that.I myself would like to play Custer's Last stand and see if I could have done things differently and actually have survived....
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:45 pm
by kirk23_MatrixForum
ORIGINAL: hadberz
If your looking for US Indians wars wargames, This is the only one that I know of that's still for sell, Custers Last Command
http://www.jlssg.com/custer.html
Age of Rifles has scenarios covering the US Indians wars, but good luck finding it for sell anywhere.
Any new wargame on the subject should focus on the military aspects of the conflict.
Thanks hadberz,
I checked out the link and have downloaded the Custer demo. I used to play the battle of the little big horn board game many moons ago, thanks again for link cheers[:)]
Update I just run the game from the link Custers last command, and the game runs using Vista great stuff,don't know how old the game is but it looks interesting.[:)]
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:00 pm
by 06 Maestro
Political correctness has infected gamers too apparently. Honestly, I was somewhat surprised by the suggestion too. It would, however, be a very interesting game.
It seems that if Nazi Germany had its way in Russia (the plan was so crazy I doubt it would have survived Hitler anyway), Russian west of the Volga would have been eliminated. Should eastern front games be banned? What about the various colony/empire building games, those involved some very nasty idea's. WW2 in China, anyone?
The American treatment of the Indians is not something to be proud about, but it was inevitable. A culture barely removed from the stone age came into contact with the modern world. The two were not going to mix-one had to go. There was no question as to which one it was going to be. This was something dictated by fate.
Also, I would say it was more a matter of control and eliminating a way of life, rather than genocide. There are millions of native Americans around today-with some pretty cushy benefits. There are also many millions of "white" and "black" Americans with Indian blood in them. I will not argue that they were not treated unfairly, that is clear. Treaties were also broken multiple times. The simple truth is that there was no room for nomadic nations on the north American continent-especially if they took up arms to repulse the invader's.
It would make an interesting game. Some events of that era would be unsettling though. No doubt that in our brave new world some would call such a game a hate crime.
BTW, whatever happened to that first north American settlement?
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:07 pm
by PunkReaper
Hellfirejet I remember playing for hours The Battle of the Little Big Horn..../
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:17 pm
by kirk23_MatrixForum
Hi Punk Reaper,
Well them photos bring back many happy memories cheers [:)]
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:20 pm
by Titanwarrior89
I could care less about Polical correctness. Some americans reek of it. So guys let get off our high horse. This guy ment nothing by it. I think most knew that, even after they said what they did.[:-]
ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro
Political correctness has infected gamers too apparently. Honestly, I was somewhat surprised by the suggestion too. It would, however, be a very interesting game.
It seems that if Nazi Germany had its way in Russia (the plan was so crazy I doubt it would have survived Hitler anyway), Russian west of the Volga would have been eliminated. Should eastern front games be banned? What about the various colony/empire building games, those involved some very nasty idea's. WW2 in China, anyone?
The American treatment of the Indians is not something to be proud about, but it was inevitable. A culture barely removed from the stone age came into contact with the modern world. The two were not going to mix-one had to go. There was no question as to which one it was going to be. This was something dictated by fate.
Also, I would say it was more a matter of control and eliminating a way of life, rather than genocide. There are millions of native Americans around today-with some pretty cushy benefits. There are also many millions of "white" and "black" Americans with Indian blood in them. I will not argue that they were not treated unfairly, that is clear. Treaties were also broken multiple times. The simple truth is that there was no room for nomadic nations on the north American continent-especially if they took up arms to repulse the invader's.
It would make an interesting game. Some events of that era would be unsettling though. No doubt that in our brave new world some would call such a game a hate crime.
BTW, whatever happened to that first north American settlement?
RE: How the west was won
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:22 pm
by PunkReaper
I think that us Brits don't realise how sensitive our American cousins are about Native Americans. Hey I've just played Hammer of the Scots and didn't feel guilty once[:D][:D]