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Hi all,

Fired back up CHS vs AI scenario again and all combat results of P40's vs any other fighter results in many poor performance including lots of (XXX behind P40 range X). The result the P40's sux, ahistorical at best. The P39's, buffalos, hurricanes or any other plane isnt affected. BTW this is the Nic ATA mod of CHS.

Anyone else with same or suggestions. Started at AI hard, but even put to historical same results.

TIA for any responses.

Pat

It isnt the planes that suck, its the pilots. You're sending 55 experience pilots against 80 experience pilots. P-40s do have a low ceiling making them poor choice for CAP aircraft but as escorts YOU choose the altitude of the engagement.

Its part of the game to use what you have to the best of its ability. Hurricanes have a very limited range. They should be used for point defense CAP. I use my P-40s as attack aircraft often (naval attacks at 100' and airfield attacks as well) and of course as raid escorts.

Also be advised that it's not even exp of 55 in CHS.
 
USAAF reinforcement squadrons have an exp 55 average.
 
However, once you start drawing replacement pilots, the exp is 45 average exp (which amounts to some very crappy pilots).  Also, *very important*, this exp level does NOT go up in game.  You'll be drawing USAAF pilots with 45 in 1944.
 
Also the P-40B in CHS has a error in the ceiling, is only 24,400 (instead of 30 - 32k).  So they're going get trounced if they do anything but escort or CAP vs. mid-level strikes.
 
-F-

P40s were no match on any theater of war, pacific or european. However anywhere P40s were in combat they put up one hell of a fight, true they were no match for zeros in combat, however flying tigers proved decent tactics are far better then better aircraft. Same goes for German 109, it was superior for good year or two into the war, then outmatched just about everywhere, but stayed competitive because the pilots made up the difference (most german aces with 100+ kills flying against russian bi-planes. Same for P40s against A2M's and Ki-51's.

Granted the game isn't 100% perfect, I mean any P40 pilot knows if your in trouble simply dive away (will get to 550mph in a dive) and your long gone from any japanese plane tryin to catch you, however the game doesn't take account of this, hence why crappy Nate fighters with 85EXP will slaughter 55EXP P40s.

ORIGINAL: Misconduct

P40s were no match on any theater of war, pacific or european. However anywhere P40s were in combat they put up one hell of a fight, true they were no match for zeros in combat, however flying tigers proved decent tactics are far better then better aircraft. Same goes for German 109, it was superior for good year or two into the war, then outmatched just about everywhere, but stayed competitive because the pilots made up the difference (most german aces with 100+ kills flying against russian bi-planes. Same for P40s against A2M's and Ki-51's.

Granted the game isn't 100% perfect, I mean any P40 pilot knows if your in trouble simply dive away (will get to 550mph in a dive) and your long gone from any japanese plane tryin to catch you, however the game doesn't take account of this, hence why crappy Nate fighters with 85EXP will slaughter 55EXP P40s.

The P40B and P40E were comparable to A6M3s, and Hurricane IIBs; better than Ki-43s, A6M2s, FM2s, F4F3s, and F4F4s; and slightly worse than Spitfire Is, IIs, Bf109Es, and A6M5s. The P40N was comparable with those last four.

Herwin what I was trying to get at, and ill try to make my self better understood, the P-40 was a plane like the P-51 that did not excel at anything specific to make it a superior fighter. For example some DAF units initially failed to use P-40s according to its strengths and/or utilized outdated defensive tactics, such as the Luftberry Circle. Flown right, like the flying tigers it excelled in combat, as shown in the desert of north africa where combat was routinely under 16,000feet, the Tomahawk did excellent job at air combat, taking as many loses as ditching. However its attributes doesn't make it special by dogfighting standards, however I "kicked the bucket" saying that because the P40 was used how it was, a under 16k fighter that religated itself quite well in its role.

Sadly I looked up my big book of aircraft information, and P-40 did pose a 2:1 K/D ratio on every front, thats pretty darn good for a plane that was religated to ground attack only by the Army Air Corp, and  not used as a "air superiority fighter".

ORIGINAL: Feinder

Also be advised that it's not even exp of 55 in CHS.

USAAF reinforcement squadrons have an exp 55 average.

However, once you start drawing replacement pilots, the exp is 45 average exp (which amounts to some very crappy pilots). Also, *very important*, this exp level does NOT go up in game. You'll be drawing USAAF pilots with 45 in 1944.

Also the P-40B in CHS has a error in the ceiling, is only 24,400 (instead of 30 - 32k). So they're going get trounced if they do anything but escort or CAP vs. mid-level strikes.

-F-

Thanks. Makes much more sense now. I guess the P40's will have to be regulated to certain duties while I wait for AE.

Pat

If you're PBEM and your opponent "trains" his Japanese pilots, you'll need to make your best to "train" your Allied pilots as well (thruought the war, remember it's ~always~ going to be 45 exp replacement for USAAF).
 
Until you can get some bases in range tho to train on you're SOL.
 
With 70exp pilots, your P-40Es can fair well enough vs. comperable Zeros.  Tonies you'll exchange about 3.5:2 (against you).  But P-40Bs are my own training models and used for escort.
 
-F-

Oh, and forgot to mention - only the 1st Sqdn of AVG is immune to the Zero bonus. The 2nd and 3rd sqdns have exp, but will get slaughtered if sent vs. Zeros early game.

-F-

http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/6-54993.aspx
 
A topic about the P40 in a recent thread I have visited, it's a very pro American website where some opinions aren't welcome (mainly anti western comments whether right or wrong)
 
It might be an interesting read for some of you.