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CD guns
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:44 am
by munster847284728472
Simple question!
Are there any CD guns on the jap side which can do damage to Bombarding battleships and cruisers?
RE: CD guns
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:54 am
by herwin
ORIGINAL: Munster84728472
Simple question!
Are there any CD guns on the jap side which can do damage to Bombarding battleships and cruisers?
Historically, yes. 8" could penetrate the armour of older battleships, and 5-6" could do the same for most cruisers. In addition, CD emplacements were much, much more accurate and better protected than ship-mounted guns, so "no sailor but a fool would attack a fort with a ship."
RE: CD guns
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:03 am
by Feinder
However, in WitP... [;)]
Not really. the portable CD units for Japan I think have only 5.5" guns. None of which will do much to Allied BBs or CAs. They MIGHT be able to ding some of the older CLs (maybe the Omahas or Adalaide or the RN "D-class" CLs).
The fixed CD guns, like at Yokosuka and maybe Palau and others, have 8" guns which would do a number on CA/CLs but not going to do much vs. BBs.
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RE: CD guns
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:18 am
by John Lansford
The AI tried to bombard Bataan early in my 1941 Campaign game for some really strange reason, using nothing but heavy cruisers (the DD's didn't bombard). Needless to say, the CD guns did their job and every one of the ships in that TF that bombarded took multiple hits, with several on fire and reduced in speed.
The only time I had that happen to me as the Allies was when I tried to bombard Saipan with a mixed TF of cruisers and DD's and forgot to turn off the "escorts bombard" toggle. I think I lost 4 or 5 DD's to those guns there.
BTW, has anyone pointed out the Wake Island CD guns at the start of the Campaign game are 155mm and not 5"? I was a little surprised to see the wrong size guns there when I started that scenario.
RE: CD guns
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:50 am
by Feinder
I don't have the DB editor in front of me, but either way, it could be that the 5" guns immediately (or nearly immediately) upgraded to 155mm guns. The upgrades generally look for the lowest sequenced unit, with ample supply and ample replacement devices, and then upgrades.
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Yes, it looks like they might have quickly upgraded. In the editor for Scen 15 Stock, they have 5" CD guns (which will then upgrade to 155mm Field Guns).
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RE: CD guns
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:09 am
by munster847284728472
l'v found acouple of 150mm guns in the cd units i have. do you think they will do the trick to fight back against his BB fleet
RE: CD guns
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:16 am
by bradfordkay
Those are slightly smaller than 6", so I would not expect them to be of much value against the BBs in this game.
RE: CD guns
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:44 am
by Odin
RE: CD guns
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:42 am
by String
the 240mm guns in some forts might do some damage to battleships and cruisers. Otherwise, the best CD gun the japanese have is the G4M2 and B5N
RE: CD guns
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:22 am
by FOW
It's big, but slow ROF and poor ability to track a moving target
RE: CD guns
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:07 am
by Odin
ORIGINAL: FOW
It's big, but slow ROF and poor ability to track a moving target
It has NO ability to track a moving target*lol*
RE: CD guns
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:35 am
by gladiatt
ORIGINAL: Odin
ORIGINAL: FOW
It's big, but slow ROF and poor ability to track a moving target
It has NO ability to track a moving target*lol*
It has NO ability to track a static target either...[;)]
It just blow anything in the vicinity...
RE: CD guns
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:56 am
by castor troy
ORIGINAL: Munster84728472
Simple question!
Are there any CD guns on the jap side which can do damage to Bombarding battleships and cruisers?
in the game? not one...
RE: CD guns
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:37 am
by rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: castor troy
ORIGINAL: Munster84728472
Simple question!
Are there any CD guns on the jap side which can do damage to Bombarding battleships and cruisers?
in the game? not one...
i think there are in CHS in the Home Islands and a few other places... another reason to play CHS (and its derivatives) over stock. [8D]
RE: CD guns
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:06 pm
by engineer
Historically (non-stock) the Japanese had some 12" and 15" rifles from capital ships that were scrapped or converted to carriers under the Washington Treaty deployed at Tsushima, Tokyo, Osaka, and some other places in the home islands. The other point is that they had some short-ranged howitzers in the 240 mm to 305 mm range that would have delivered all their fire as plunging hits. Outside the Home Islands and the Tsushima Strait, the biggest thing they had was an 8" gun. The other thing on Japanese coastal defenses is that they heavily mined the approaches to the Inland Sea, Tokyo Bay, and the strait between Honshu and Hokkaido with 10,000+ mines each. If you wanted to do that in the game, you'd be running your ML's non-stop just to maintain those barricades.
RE: CD guns
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:11 pm
by Feinder
The other thing on Japanese coastal defenses is that they heavily mined the approaches to the Inland Sea, Tokyo Bay, and the strait between Honshu and Hokkaido with 10,000+ mines each.
The flaw in the plan was that there were twice as many mines floating around that had recently been dropped by B-29s! [;)]
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