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I had it! I had it down, all I had to do was to get my carrier task force (Kuszentov) to Iceland and I would be victorious. [8D]

I had devastated every airbase in the scenario, the Blue side had nothing in the air.
I had sunk every surface asset including the French Carrier task force.

I knew the submarines were my only obstacle...
I had every asset out looking for subs.
I had so many helos in the air doing ASW that I thought they would hit each other.

But all to no avail.

It started with one torpedo, then 2 then 4 then 6.

One at a time my fleet lost assets until lastly my Kuznetov died... [X(]
I lost my first battle to one submarine, which was killed just before the Kuznetov died; but all in vain as I still lost.
To lose to a submarine is bad, to lose to a French submarine... is disgraceful... [:(]

Always nice to hear about someone getting his ass handed to him... [;)]

Yeah, the subs in HCE are really, really stealthy.  I take many losses from them that I would never have incurred in the HC97 or HCGold versions of the game.  Great to see you enjoying the game.

To lose to a submarine is bad, to lose to a French submarine... is disgraceful

Not necessarily.

The French have been working very hard on cloaking technology, and it appears they have been successful:

"These submarines are undetectable, they make less noise than a shrimp,"

(http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009- ... 839391.htm)

hehe, thanks for sharing your experiences makobyte, subs are scary in HCE.