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Name This AE...328
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:14 pm
by Brady
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RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:15 pm
by castor troy
Japanese pilots in their fighters set to 90% Cap, waiting to get bombed by unescorted Allied bombers instead of getting airborne...
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:18 pm
by DuckofTindalos
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RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:33 pm
by Knavey
Nah...looks like 30% to me.
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:37 pm
by Local Yokel
According to my copy of this photograph, the Zuikaku Kansen-tai, taken at about the time of Operation I. If so, could be Vunakanau in the early part of April 1943. Judging by the cowl shape, these look like Model 21 Zero, but it's hard to be sure.
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 5:51 pm
by Knavey
Trees or smoke in the background? Probably trees since there doesn't appear to be a sense of urgency on the guys milling around.
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:20 pm
by IndyShark
I think it's dust created by planes warming up.
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 7:01 pm
by marky
ORIGINAL: castor troy
Japanese pilots in their fighters set to 90% Cap, waiting to get bombed by unescorted Allied bombers instead of getting airborne...
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RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 7:47 pm
by rominet
A6M2 type 21 at Buin (5th Koku Sentai): 1943
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:10 pm
by juliet7bravo
A6M3 Zero Model 22, Zuikaku Kansen-tai, Buin, Jan-Feb 1943
Might be a Mod. 32 in there with the square wing tips too.
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:32 pm
by Local Yokel
Interesting. I have a picture of Zuikaku's fighters at Rabaul that is said to have been taken prior to their transfer to Buin on 29 Jan 43 - to cover Guadalcanal evac, I think. They are clearly Model 21's (no carburettor air duct above spinner), so if the photograph here is of Model 22's it implies re-equipment at this time. The picture taken at Rabaul shows tail codes A1-1-xxx, indicating that 5th Koku Sentai had by this time been redesignated 1st Koku Sentai.
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 11:52 pm
by juliet7bravo
IJN air units not my thang, but I thought Zuikaku was re-equipped with Mod. 22s between Coral Sea and Jan/Feb '43? What was the camo/paint scheme on the Mod. 21s you have a pic of? The light olive, or the dark green? Somewhere in that time frame is when they transitioned over to the Mod.22 and the dark green paint scheme, or so I thought.
Brady's pic could just as easily be of Zuke's AC later in '43? Looks like they have the dark green paint scheme, and it's not in a pristine condition either. This pic is generally captioned as "Zuikaku's Zeros at Buin Jan. 1943" or words to that effect IIRC, think it's in IJN Air Aces (without walking out to office and pulling it off the shelf) as such.
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 12:11 am
by wdolson
This is an example of typical Fuji wartime film quality. [:D]
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 1:17 am
by Nikademus
I think they might be Japanese planes.
maybe.....
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:13 am
by castor troy
ORIGINAL: Terminus
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RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 6:20 am
by Local Yokel
ORIGINAL: juliet7bravo
IJN air units not my thang, but I thought Zuikaku was re-equipped with Mod. 22s between Coral Sea and Jan/Feb '43? What was the camo/paint scheme on the Mod. 21s you have a pic of? The light olive, or the dark green? Somewhere in that time frame is when they transitioned over to the Mod.22 and the dark green paint scheme, or so I thought.
Brady's pic could just as easily be of Zuke's AC later in '43? Looks like they have the dark green paint scheme, and it's not in a pristine condition either. This pic is generally captioned as "Zuikaku's Zeros at Buin Jan. 1943" or words to that effect IIRC, think it's in IJN Air Aces (without walking out to office and pulling it off the shelf) as such.
My pic of Model 21's is at p.275 of 'Samouraï sur Porte-Avions' and shows a line up of Zuikaku's fighters at Lakunai. If the book you're thinking of is Sakaida's 'IJN Aces 1937-45' then colour plate 18 there shows the nearest of the line up: CPO Saito Saburo's A1-1-119 apparently in the early war grey scheme overall sometimes described as 'light greenish ash' - I believe the Japanese word for this is
hai-ryokushoku.
I gather that, although the Navy Dept issued an instruction for upper surfaces to be painted dark green in July 1943, units in the field had anticipated this by applying this colour from the summer of 1942 onwards, especially in the tropics. So no real help there.
Zuikaku's Kansen-tai seems to have undergone quite a few changes - she apparently had some Model 32's embarked for Santa Cruz.
Brady's picture certainly looks as though it could of the large apron at Buin. I think Vunakanau was primarily a bomber field, again making this more likely to be Buin rather than Rabaul.
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:07 pm
by Brady
A6M2 Model 21, it is[:)]
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As to the locaton and unit, I am uncertain, I have some books with picks that look remarkedly similar that might sugest this is Rabaul, but I also Have books with Picks that sugest that this is Buin, in the end I am not certain, and the referance, a Japanese source, offers no clue, but it is a cool pick.
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:54 pm
by Coach Z
ORIGINAL: castor troy
Japanese pilots in their fighters set to 90% Cap, waiting to get bombed by unescorted Allied bombers instead of getting airborne...
The story of my brief experience as a JFB!
RE: Name This AE...328
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:51 am
by rominet
ORIGINAL: Brady
A6M2 Model 21, it is[:)]
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As to the locaton and unit, I am uncertain, I have some books with picks that look remarkedly similar that might sugest this is Rabaul, but I also Have books with Picks that sugest that this is Buin, in the end I am not certain, and the referance, a Japanese source, offers no clue, but it is a cool pick.
As you seem to know the french magazine "Le Fana de l'aviation",
this picture is in the "Hors Série N°3: Les avions de combat japonais" page 39.
Collection Nakamura via Jim Lansdale.[;)]