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Hi

I would like to know why some plane factories on map don't upgrade.
I have one of Lily-I which refuse to upgrade in Lily-II at Kyoto i don't know why because there is enough supply.

Thanks.

Patience my friend, patience...I've had factories go for almost a month without upgrading...

--Damian--

ORIGINAL: rominet

Hi

I would like to know why some plane factories on map don't upgrade.
I have one of Lily-I which refuse to upgrade in Lily-II at Kyoto i don't know why because there is enough supply.

Thanks.

It will upgrade, it might take 20 days over the time, but it will upgrade..

Thanks!
You reassure me.

Some other question about it.

For a plan factory to upgrade, are there some things absolutely necessary??
for example, at least 10000 supply, or 20000.
the factory must be completely repaired??
and so on ???

Rominet,
the factory doesn't need to be fully repaired. I'm unsure about supplies, but recently I had a number of factories upgrade, and those at locations with 10K or more supplies upgraded quicker. This is worthy of a test, and if I have time in the next day, I'll run a test and see if I can give some more information about it.

Thanks, Brisbane's citizen, [;)]
i am waiting for your tests.

Rominet,
I can't testify to these results as I only ran a few base tests to see what was occurring.

Firstly the switch to initiate factory upgrades are not triggered until the first of the month. (I tested having all M2 factories and M3a's available at the same date, I ran my first series of tests starting 7/12/41 but none upgraded until 1/1942) ** for my later tests I had the scenario starting 31/12/41.

These are my findings:
1) Supplies have little (if nothing) to do with plane factory upgrades. I had upgrades occur with 1000 supplies at a base.
2. HQ's don't matter.
3) Size has a much larger bearing on the time to upgrade. The band between 0~80 upgrade fairly quickly, within a few days of the change over.
4) 80~200 on average take about 15 days to upgrade.
5) >200 can take up to or more than 45 days to upgrade.
6) I don't believe supplies are used to convert a factory.

The small number of tests I did really is not enough to define this issue, but I hope that it is enough to assure you that conversions take time.

Hi Damian and thanks for all yours tests.
I didn't know it could depend of the size of the factory.

A question: where did you make the test, i mean which hex?

I an not sure but it may be important as i remarked that for example, the plane factory at Sydney never have troubles to upgrade.
But it is the opposite at Sasebo.

In my game, many factory are set in USA country.
We are now mid june 42; the Devastator factory should have upgraded for 15 days but no!![:(]
Let you see the screen:





Is it normal for you??

Rominet,
Actually I made my tests on Truk and did a concurrent test at Rabaul. I'm not sure that the Allied side will work the same way as the Japanese and neither did I test for repairs.

I wonder though why the Avenger is still saying R&D, I thought as soon as it was the 6/42 that it would change to show without the "-rd" switch.

Let me check
Damian

For repairing of plane factory, don't worry, it works.
That's for the upgrade i begin to worry about.

About your last remark, it is a good one.
But it comes from the fact, that i am the japanese player of this game and i took screen of the december 7 1941.
But my opponent (and I, by putting my mouse on the USA base) confirms that the Davastator factory didn't upgrade yet.

PS: it is not my game against Emek but Emek will perhaps have the same trouble in june.

Olivier

Olivier (Rominet),
15 days is nothing from what I've seen, maybe make sure that the Avenger is now showing normal ,which is the trigger in effect. I guess that after a month and a half there might be worries, but not yet. I guess it is your mod, so I'll download it sometime and have a look for myself, if there is a problem (but I doubt it).. I'm sure this is just time for patience.

Cheers
Damian

Thanks Damian[:)]

Hi Damian

i made a test on a small scenario
it is the 31th may and some factories have to upgrade the june 1st.
Here are the results:



So, it seems to have a kind of relationship between the laps of time for upgrade and the ratio between unrepaired and repaired factory (A)xB.

The bigger the A/B ratio is, the bigger the laps of time is. (english???[&:])

I immediately tested by replacing the F4F-4:(60)x30 factory by F4F-4:(0)x30.
You believe me if you want, this factory upgrades the first among others, it was the 2nd of the month.

Hmm interesting Olivier,

It probably has some merit in what you are saying, but to eliminate the size issue in your testing maybe you can run another series where they all have the same total number. For example (0)80,(10)70,(20)60 ... etc, then size is not so much the concern, but the ratio can be examined (maybe without total size being an issue).

Oh I believe you, there is a difference here ... haven't looked at your mod yet ... will get back to it later [8D]
Damian

I did some more serious tests as you suggested me and sorry, it doesn't confirm what i previouly said.

I had 11 factories like that:

(0)x100
(10)x90
(20)x80
(30)x70
(40)x60
(50)x50
(60)x40
(70)x30
(80)x20
(90)x10
(100)x0

I made 3 tests and the result is that the upgrade action is completely random. No correlation. [:(]

In the 3 tests, the last factory upgraded more than 3 weeks after the june 1st but they all upgraded. It was in Australia (near Brisbane [;)])