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Just how many millions did it take to build the sunkin shups at Pearl Harbor, just after the attack? And was the Secretary of the Navy at fault? In the movie Pearl Harbor, the Defense Secretary said, That it was too costly to mobilize the fleet at the cost of millions of dollars to do it" What was the name of that guy anyway?

Maybe some of the people on this forum might not react to well to your mentioning this movie.

It does not really present historical facts. You might just as well believe in Santa Claus...

In Pearl Harbour they also had Japanese planes attacking 1970s/80s USN DDGs and a US pilot transferring from an Eagle Squadron back into a USAAF fighter squadron. [8|] [8|] [8|]

That unnameable movie got the name of the base right and not much more.  Kind of typical for Hollywood.  [:-]

Being that the movie wasn't fact based, if Admiral Kimmel had deployed the fleet, would the loss of life been much less?

ORIGINAL: Footslogger

Being that the movie wasn't fact based, if Admiral Kimmel had deployed the fleet, would the loss of life been much less?

I don't think so, in deep seas we would of been more screwed. Those ships wouldn't of been recovered for sure....unless they hired a future Howard Huges or the director of 'Raise the Titantic' [:D]

It is preposterous that it would have taken millions of dollars for the pre-war BB's at Pearl to put to sea before the attack. By todays standards, fuel oil was cheap. Of course, when at sea they might have been utterly destroyed by the Jap carriers with greater loss of life.

As for the actual cost of the ships....Arizona, for eg, was ordered in 1913 and had several upgrades. It would be difficult to tease out what those costs were and then you woudl have to convert them to '41 dollars....if I understand the question.


You might be able to find the 1913 procurement budget for the US Navy somewhere.

In any event, a naval commander would likely not make such a calculus as his conern would be to preserve the fighting power of his forces and prevent loss of trained personnel unless he could inflict a greater damage on the enemy or achieve some important strategic or orperational objective by putting them in harms way.

Consider the national treasure and lives lost for Guadalcanal. There was nothing there of any value except the chance to defeat the Japanese and win the war faster.

WAIT!

You mean that the movie ***** ****** is not fact based?

I need to go lie down. That is perposterous! [:D]

I don't think it really matters the cost. The morale boost that was gained by raising those ships and then using them later in the war to pound Japanese targets and provide AA cover cannot be measured.

TMTMNBN ( The Movie That Must Not Be Named ) is more smelly than mud dredged up from the foulest backwater lagoon. It  is barely permissable to acknowledge that Kate Beckinsale is very attractive. ( It is for some reason running a lot on Comcast where I live. I have been suffering from severe  headaches lately ). If you started a drinking game whereby you had to pound a drink everytime someone pointed out an incorrect fact, logic flaw, or plot hole, then the whole group would die from alcohol poisoning before the end credits.
 
 

Gah, stupid film! Must smash head on keyboard [&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o] aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

Better, come blessed Morpheus......[>:]

A recent survey of soccer mums showed that the type of person most likely to watch that ‘dreaded Movie that must not be named’, were most likely look like this.

And apparently the USAAF never heard of the idea of actually training bomber crews, using fighter pilots instead....


Man, why is it the ETO in WWII gets waaaay better movies?

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ORIGINAL: Footslogger

Being that the movie wasn't fact based, if Admiral Kimmel had deployed the fleet, would the loss of life been much less?

I don't think so, in deep seas we would of been more screwed. Those ships wouldn't of been recovered for sure....unless they hired a future Howard Huges or the director of 'Raise the Titantic' [:D]

The "they would have been sunk in deep water" theory generally doesn't take into account that if the fleet had been at sea, the IJN probably wouldn't have been able to find them in any kind of "sneak attack" scenario... and the KB was critically low on fuel to start with* so it probably wouldn't have enough to conduct any kind of operations except the hit and run attack that was carried out: i.e.: it would not have been able to conduct a prolonged "search and destroy" mission if the fleet had not been at Harbor... of course, they might have gotten lucky and caught the fleet just outside the harbor, but this would depend on when the fleet sortied, etc.


*The original attack plan called for the KB to be scuttled after the attack due to lack of fuel [X(] [X(]... the IJN staff (rather late in the evolution of the plan) came up with a way to refuel the KB.

ORIGINAL: Elessar

Maybe some of the people on this forum might not react to well to your mentioning this movie.

It does not really present historical facts. You might just as well believe in Santa Claus...

You mean Santa Claus is not real ?

I've always found Tora Tora Tora to be a true reflection of the Pearl Harbor Attack. No CGI but good special effects for its day.

ORIGINAL: 88l71
Man, why is it the ETO in WWII gets waaaay better movies?

If you're thinking about the Battle of the Bulge movie, you need some rest.[:'(]

Hollywood has as much problems with ETO as with PTO. I dread the day when a movie will be made with a scene featuring Himmler duellling a private from the Big Red One on a bridge, and telling him "I am your father".[8|]

ORIGINAL: Ambassador

ORIGINAL: 88l71
Man, why is it the ETO in WWII gets waaaay better movies?

If you're thinking about the Battle of the Bulge movie, you need some rest.[:'(]

Hollywood has as much problems with ETO as with PTO. I dread the day when a movie will be made with a scene featuring Himmler duellling a private from the Big Red One on a bridge, and telling him "I am your father".[8|]

I think you are being too critical. sometimes hollywood gets it right. There is that one, for eg., where the US Navy captures the Enigma machine.

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

I think you are being too critical. sometimes hollywood gets it right. There is that one, for eg., where the US Navy captures the Enigma machine.

Whaaat(choking)... Yes, but their story line has the wrong Navy capturing the Enigma. [:D]

EDIT. I just got suckered-in didn't I.

[;)]