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How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:02 am
by Chris21wen
Tried to search for this infor and found very little. Any info will be appreciated.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:09 pm
by Yamato hugger
Not much different than in WitP. For all intents and purposes you have 2 HQs: R and not R. There no real advantage (other than a slight one for air units replacements) for being in any given HQ as long as its a not-R HQ.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:38 pm
by jwilkerson
ORIGINAL: Chris H
Tried to search for this infor and found very little. Any info will be appreciated.
Well there are several dimensions of differentiation - like Land HQs, Air HQ and Naval HQs, each have different functions. Within the Land HQs, there are two levels - first level and higher level each adding combat bonuses when the conditions are met. This multi-level land HQ function is the same as in WITP. Some of the other features that are different are discussed in the manual.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:07 am
by Dili
So no Army Vs Corps level separation?
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:04 am
by jwilkerson
Well as I said there are two levels of HQs. But the terms "Army" and "Corps" are not relevant in all cases.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:03 pm
by Dili
When you said two levels i tought they were the same Area Commands and Corps Commands like in Witp.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:11 pm
by ny59giants
Are there any qualities that you would look for in the leader of a Command type HQ that would effect combat?? I was re-reading a thread from the "Must Read Thread" about HQs and it spoke of the leader effecting combat.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:53 pm
by jwilkerson
For a land combat leader leading a land combat HQ, you want a good value in the land combat attribute.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:55 pm
by jwilkerson
ORIGINAL: Dili
When you said two levels i tought they were the same Area Commands and Corps Commands like in Witp.
It is "like" WITP except the two levels are not really implemented in stock because all units are assigned to their parent HQs. In AE, we assign units to lower level HQs as well.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:05 pm
by Dili
So in Witp the Corps HQ had really no function?
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:15 pm
by Nikademus
They do. They can give a crucial boost to the modified AV as one of mine did in the Guad PBEM.
This is same as WitP standard though. Nothing new here.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:22 pm
by Dili
Okay. Maybe the change is that an LCU could take influence from more than one Corps HQ if in Range and now being attached that ends.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:31 pm
by Yamato hugger
Corps HQ only affects units in the hex its in (a range of 1 means the hex its in only, not adjacent hexes) and the way I understand it, yes putting multiple HQs in a hex will help because if you fail 1 check, there is another there to try. That is my understanding anyways.
WitP has always been counted 1 hex less than what is says. The "first" hex is the one its in, so a range "5" for example affects its hex and 4 more out from there.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:42 pm
by John Lansford
Will you still be required to land the HQ unit with the invasion LCU's in order to get the benefits? I always try to land HQ's after the initial wave goes in as IRL, but in WitP you didn't get the bonus that way. Can the bonus apply even if the HQ unit stays in the ship?
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:16 pm
by Shark7
ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
ORIGINAL: Dili
When you said two levels i tought they were the same Area Commands and Corps Commands like in Witp.
It is "like" WITP except the two levels are not really implemented in stock because all units are assigned to their parent HQs. In AE, we assign units to lower level HQs as well.
So basically you've changed it so that IJA 18th and 5th IDs will be assigned to 25th Army and 25th then assigned to Southern Area, basically creating a more realistic hierarchy? That may be better especially in organzing what units go to what local commands.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:21 pm
by Nikademus
ORIGINAL: Dili
Okay. Maybe the change is that an LCU could take influence from more than one Corps HQ if in Range and now being attached that ends.
in stock, i found benefit from up to two corp (range 1) HQ's in the same hex. Don't believe this was changed in AE.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:10 pm
by Dili
But Joe says LCU's are now assigned to low HQ's so i suppose another low HQ nearby will not affect. If not what was the propose of this?
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:37 pm
by Nikademus
ORIGINAL: Dili
But Joe says LCU's are now assigned to low HQ's so i suppose another low HQ nearby will not affect. If not what was the propose of this?
"Lower HQ" = a smaller HQ thats part of a bigger HQ. The bigger HQ = an area or Theater HQ. It can also mean top HQ of a particular org. example - South Pacific example 2: Fifth AF.
Lower HQ example - your typical Corps HQ.
The explosion of lower HQ's (and some higher ones) are meant to enhance historical flavor but in terms of function, at this time, you still have two basic types of HQ. A lower HQ that is often a front line HQ with a range of 1 hex.....and a rear area/Theater command HQ with a larger hex range.
The game allows for both types of HQ to influence land combat if in range. This is SAIEW.
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:26 pm
by Dili
But the attachment prevents that another same level Corps to influence an LCU that is attached to another Corps even if in range?
RE: How do HQ work in AE?
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:15 pm
by Nikademus
ORIGINAL: Dili
But the attachment prevents that another same level Corps to influence an LCU that is attached to another Corps even if in range?
At this time, HQ benefits are not dictated by who is attached to what HQ. Range dictates it. From what i've tested, you can benefit from having up to two HQ's in range of your LCU(s). As such there is no "prevention"
Bear in mind too, that each LCU will roll seperately for HQ benies....so not every LCU may benefit to the same degree as the other. As a "general" rule of thumb however, you will usually see benefits (to modified AV) from having up to two HQ's in range of your ground units.