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Discrepancy: TF speed setting does not seem to change speed but it does change fuel consumption

Test Configuration: Guadalcanal scenario, H2H with Japanese and Allied stand-down. Create three task forces (TF 1, 2, 3) at Lville, each with a single cruiser (Astoria, Quincy, Vincennes respectively), all cruisers with zero damage and max speed of 32(9), cruise speed of 15(4), and a fuel level of 10,000. Note that a speed of 15 knots will really travel 9 hexes in two phases.

Set all three TF destinations to Sydney, with TF 1 set to “cruise”, TF 2 set to “mission” and TF 3 set to “full”.

Turn-Total distance (1,2,3)-Fuel remaining (1,2,3)
1 -------4,5,5-----------------9838,9795,9795
2------14,14,14---------------9430,9430,8344
3------23,23,23---------------9065,9065,6899
4------32,32,32---------------8699,8699,5454

Now the turn 1 distance was half the other turns, but I assume that is a scenario startup anomaly

The critical point is that at the end of turns 2,3,and 4 all three task forces were in the same hex, yet the TF set to “Full” was using more fuel.

Note that the TFs set to “cruise” and “mission” were traveling the correct distance each turn and using the expected amount of fuel. TF3, set to “Full” was traveling at cruise speed but using fuel for full speed.

EDIT: forgot to mention in test setup that Historical First Turn is OFF
Also note that column two list the total distance each TF had traveled since test inception

I've seen this in WITP too, where you have 2 TF's in the same hex going to the same destination, different movement speeds and they end up in the same hex next turn and the next, with different fuel consumption. If this happens, I move them into different hexes for a turn and then it works fine ...

--Damian--

Pompack,

One thing in your report is confusing me. You list the TFs as having moved different distances each turn, but you report they ended up in the same hex? Is the distance traveled you list your estimate of how far they _should_ have moved, but not how far they _actually_ moved?

Regards,

- Erik

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Pompack,

One thing in your report is confusing me. You list the TFs as having moved different distances each turn, but you report they ended up in the same hex? Is the distance traveled you list your estimate of how far they _should_ have moved, but not how far they _actually_ moved?

Regards,

- Erik

Erik:
Sorry for the lack of clarity

Column two lists the total distance each TF had moved since test inception

On turn one, TF1 only moved four hexes, while TF2 and TF3 each moved five hexes
On turn two, TF1 moved ten additional hexes, while TF2 and TF3 each moved nine additional hexes and all TFs ended the turn in the same hex 14 hexes away from the start point (L'ville)
On turn 3 each moved nine hexes ending in the same hex 23 distant from start
on turn 4 each moved nine hexes ending in the same hex 32 distant from start


I repeated the test and got the same results

Just for grins, I created exactly the same test in stock WitP (well almost, Sydney was not on the map so I set the destination as the lower left corner of the map). I got the expected result with TF1 and TF2 in the same hex and TF 3 way ahead of them.

EDIT: forgot to mention in test setup that Historical First Turn is OFF

My results are the same as Pompack's - the Full Speed setting doesn't move TFs at full speed. I tested in the Coral Sea scenario, and tried several different TF types instead of just surface combat, but had no more luck than Pompack.

We think we've isolated the issue an have an internal test build that seems to have resolved the issue. We will definitely have a fix for this in patch 01.

Looks like this issue was introduced in recent beta builds - as an "unintended consequence" - very unintended - since the offending change was related to ship damage and control of same.

Thanks for finding this guys!!!

Each of us serves in his own way [:)]

(and it's a lot more fun than finding bugs for a living[:D])

ORIGINAL: pompack


Now the turn 1 distance was half the other turns, but I assume that is a scenario startup anomaly

Not an anomaly, per se. WITP only has the day impulse for the first turn. I assume AE is the same. (Think of the scenario starting at dawn, not dusk the night before)

I can see mine TFs set to Cruise speed to move on Normal speed. Could it be the same?
Or is the "bombardment run" routine overruning cruise speed to get "in and out" during the phase?