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Hate to say it but having to fight a land war in China almost makes me sorry I bought this. I have no interest in this and resent the fact that that I have to come to terms with an area of the conflict I was never interested in. It really detracts from an otherwise excellent game. This is like a big side dish of lima beans and Brussels sprouts one has eat before they get their ice cream.
I hate it

You do know you can put China on auto-pilot, don't you? Just let the AI handle it.

EDIT: Or not! I hadn't realized we can no longer hand control over to the AI. Maybe you can get away with being passive in China, at least for a while. Besides, I found in WITP I enjoyed learning something about the war in China, a conflict in which I previously had no interest either.

Which side are you playing ? You can more or less ignore it and it wont kill you to much

I play as Allies and would greatly appreciate that script as I only look at China once Thailand has been conquered (at least in WITP against the AI) [&o]

I think alot of WITP players hate China, myself included, but I play it, because it does nicely simulate the commitments and resources that Japan has to make to keep it going. Out in the Pacific you're scraping around for small SNLF, but in China there are huge IJA formations tied down.

Players who really focus on it as Japan can make great headway there. I tend to see it more as a source of reinforcements for other theaters, but that's just me.

If China can hold on to a port and the Allies can base Catalinas there, then that could be a major aid to Allied submarines operating near the Chinese coast.

I don't really like China itself, but it has such a huge impact on other more interesting parts of the war.  Like Burma, for example, it makes Burma valuable.  Let alone the whole reinforcement issue.

Send enough troops to hold off an AI attack on your border cities and you won't have to bother looking at China again for a year of game time.

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth
Hate to say it but having to fight a land war in China almost makes me sorry I bought this. I have no interest in this and resent the fact that that I have to come to terms with an area of the conflict I was never interested in. It really detracts from an otherwise excellent game. This is like a big side dish of lima beans and Brussels sprouts one has eat before they get their ice cream.
I hate it

Well considering the fact that the war in China is the reason that the war in the Pacific started in the first place, I think they'd have been remiss if they had cut it out of the game. China is a bear to get you head around, but once you've spent the time becoming familiar with it, it can be quite enjoyable to play for either side.

Buckle down and spend the time to get familiar with China, it's well worth it. And once you do, then it's rather a simple thing to devise a defensive plan if you prefer not to be active in China. Or come up with a myriad of offensive plans if your tastes lean towards being more active.

Once you've implemented a plan and gotten your units where you want them, China is pretty much an afterthought on most turns. The air forces in China will need regular attention, but the land war is easy once the initial hard part is done.

Jim

Despite the rosy comments to the contrary, no one bought the game for the China aspect.

I am forced to concur with the original poster. The lack of auto-pilot in China is an albatross around the neck of a fine game.

I agree China was a big factor in the war but I didn't buy Jutland for the Serbian Navy

Those new to the Game might look at the CHina theater and be impresed by the amount of work their seams to be their. Realy their is not that much one nead wory over if they are not inclined to do so. Ignoring it will not bugger the rest of the game in other words.

Realisticaly some effort should be expended their aganst the Ai, but after a few week in December the front will stabalise largely.

I wouldn't have bought the game if China had been excluded. WITP set out to recreate the war in all theaters. That's why there was nothing quite like it - and now there's nothing quite like AE. Much less novelty to something like "Naval warfare in the Pacific in WW2", which is what you seemed interested in. Sorry WITP AE isn't for you.

ORIGINAL: romanovich

I wouldn't have bought the game if China had been excluded. WITP set out to recreate the war in all theaters. That's why there was nothing quite like it - and now there's nothing quite like AE. Much less novelty to something like "Naval warfare in the Pacific in WW2", which is what you seemed interested in. Sorry WITP AE isn't for you.

But isn't the "naval warfare in the pacific in WW2" how the game is marketed? Isn't it entitled "the Admiral's Edition"? What should I take away from that title?

ORIGINAL: Ryan Jackson

ORIGINAL: romanovich

I wouldn't have bought the game if China had been excluded. WITP set out to recreate the war in all theaters. That's why there was nothing quite like it - and now there's nothing quite like AE. Much less novelty to something like "Naval warfare in the Pacific in WW2", which is what you seemed interested in. Sorry WITP AE isn't for you.

But isn't the "naval warfare in the pacific in WW2" how the game is marketed? Isn't it entitled "the Admiral's Edition"? What should I take away from that title?

They had a lot of Take out Chinese food during the development phase.

ORIGINAL: Ryan Jackson

ORIGINAL: romanovich

I wouldn't have bought the game if China had been excluded. WITP set out to recreate the war in all theaters. That's why there was nothing quite like it - and now there's nothing quite like AE. Much less novelty to something like "Naval warfare in the Pacific in WW2", which is what you seemed interested in. Sorry WITP AE isn't for you.

But isn't the "naval warfare in the pacific in WW2" how the game is marketed? Isn't it entitled "the Admiral's Edition"? What should I take away from that title?

If you want, consider China et al a bonus feature and historical correctness since it is part of WW2, (not "Ship War 2").

With the editor, you can just remove any part of the game you don't like, and go at it..

Don't know about you, but I read the "Features" list under the title before ordering:

-An all new 40 nautical mile per hex map covering the entire Pacific theater and off-map bases
-Six new scenarios, including a new grand campaign with meticulously researched orders of battle
-Improved naval operations, including waypoints, mid-ocean intercepts, new ship classes and devises and a greatly improved ship upgrade system, engine vs. system damage, new ship art and realistic new port limits for ships, cargo and repairs
-Improved air operations, including more realistic CAP, more detailed and realistic dogfighting, an improved pilot skill and replacement system, persistent plane damage and more realistic plane maintenance, improved fog of war, new aircraft art and over 500 airplane types
-Improved land operations, including transportation networks defined by hex-side, new operations modes for land units, dynamic zone of control, tactical movement, improved fog of war and overstacking rules for atolls and small islands.
-Improved economy and industry to reflect more realistic operations as well as more historical balance
-The most historical and detailed order of battle for the Pacific War ever put into a wargame!

Ryan/John I hear the issue I also dont overly like China but I tend to just ignore it for that reason - I would suggest you do the same if it bugs you ignore it

As the Allied player in WitP (well, the Big-B Mod), I really enjoyed China. It was pretty easy to stymie the Japs there, giving the Allies a theatre of success during the dark days of the war. And it also gave the Allies some strategic options (hitting Vietnam, reinforcing Burma, or feinting here or there) that could give the Japs some real heartburn if they weren't paying attention. I don't know if AE will have the same possibilities, but I'll find out!

ORIGINAL: Ryan Jackson

ORIGINAL: romanovich

I wouldn't have bought the game if China had been excluded. WITP set out to recreate the war in all theaters. That's why there was nothing quite like it - and now there's nothing quite like AE. Much less novelty to something like "Naval warfare in the Pacific in WW2", which is what you seemed interested in. Sorry WITP AE isn't for you.

But isn't the "naval warfare in the pacific in WW2" how the game is marketed? Isn't it entitled "the Admiral's Edition"? What should I take away from that title?

Now, you could also buy Carriers at War instead of buying AE and whine about something no-one forced you to buy, and something we knew about from the very beginning. It's like buying a WW2 grand-strategic game and say you don't care about Eastern Front because it's boring. Sorry, next time they'll be fighting a world war, I'll ask them to go around and avoid boring places.

Hate to say it

Really? Then just don't say it [;)]

WITP and AE is unique with its inclusion of The Soviets and China, they're part of what makes this game special.  Take some time to use all forces at your disposal to attrit the enemy. I agree its not as fun as fast carrier raid but China/Soviets has some aspects that can be appreaciated.