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Is there a non-convoy way of sending PP's between countries? For instance, as Germany I was considering sending PPs to Italy but other than setting up a convoy, wasn't sure how to do it. Didn't want to set up a convoy and have it go all the way around Europe subject to raiders when there is a nice direct landroute to do it.

Press F11. Find Germany. Deduct the proper amount of PP. Then locate Italy and add the same amount. Voila! [:)]

Wow! Seriously? Can you maybe slip and accidentally give Italy like 100,000 pps? [:D]

Actually, it looks like you could Grunt. F11 is a workaround but not quite what I had in mind. Thanks for the tip though.

ORIGINAL: PitifulGrunt

Wow! Seriously? Can you maybe slip and accidentally give Italy like 100,000 pps? [:D]

The F11/12 tool, originally was made only for developing purpose and should be used wisely as it is out of set of game's features.

Just a warning form a developer... because it could spoil your game or... make it better

Or make Luxembourg the winner of WW2! [:D] I'm sorry, it just sounds like fun.

I used the F11 option in one game, where I wanted the USSR to send monthly PPs to Germany, per a perfidious agreement to gang up on the Western Allies. Seemed a good way to represent railroad transport.

F11 is a godsend for taking players out of problems arisen in multi-player games. It could also be used in AI-games to do things like sending PP to minors, or why not to strengthen the opponent when it begins to slacken a bit early. 

In the game associated with the AAR GPW-Stalin I added 5,000 PP to the "slackening" Axis.

Chuck

Yes, there you go! F11 is no ordinary button, its the button! [:D]

ORIGINAL: gwgardner

I used the F11 option in one game, where I wanted the USSR to send monthly PPs to Germany, per a perfidious agreement to gang up on the Western Allies. Seemed a good way to represent railroad transport.

Actually, I think a railroad PP transfer option would be a wonderful addition to the game. [&o][:)]

How about it Wastelands... [:D]

So let me get this straight ... there is no way, under the rules, to send PP over landto another country ?

Hairog,
 
Correct,this is an oversight in my opinion.  But indeed there is no way other than F11 to send PP from one country to another overland.  I wouldn't mind something like each 10 PP sent costs one of your SMP or something.

I agree. Hopefully it will be implemented in the next version

If it gets implemented it needs some pretty serious limits. A player in ToW is going to be far more generous than "real" nations were. It also would take a lot of transport, and this at a time when transport was at a premium on the continent. There is a reason ships are a preferred way to get bulk from one place to another. There is no way that some thing like Italy sending 60 PP a week to Germany was going to happen, in my opinion.

These are not just subdivisions of one monolithic alliance, but real nations, and they do not share "nice".

Chuck

Good point but the US did lend quite a bit to England and Russia. I know it was by sea but you can ship quite a lot by train also. After all they were shipping divisions by train with all the supplies needed. So maybe some huge penalty but I still think it should be possible.

ORIGINAL: cpdeyoung

If it gets implemented it needs some pretty serious limits. A player in ToW is going to be far more generous than "real" nations were. It also would take a lot of transport, and this at a time when transport was at a premium on the continent. There is a reason ships are a preferred way to get bulk from one place to another. There is no way that some thing like Italy sending 60 PP a week to Germany was going to happen, in my opinion.

These are not just subdivisions of one monolithic alliance, but real nations, and they do not share "nice".

Chuck

You can just set a limit in % to the share that can be given, plus add "overhead costs" so that sending PPs costs (some) PPs [;)]
Let's say 30% as a limit and 30% costs, so a nation getting 100PPs can only give 30 but it'll cost 9 PPs.

I think the way to limit it would be to require SMP expenditures for PP transfers.  If 10pp per SMP is too little, then make it 5pp.  Then if Italy spent every SMP loaning to Germany it would be 30 pp max.  You could even go so far as to say each Xpp transferred requires 1 SMP from each country involved if you wanted further restrictions, that way Germany couldn't ridiculously bolster its minor allies easily.
 
 

ORIGINAL: cpdeyoung

If it gets implemented it needs some pretty serious limits. A player in ToW is going to be far more generous than "real" nations were. It also would take a lot of transport, and this at a time when transport was at a premium on the continent. There is a reason ships are a preferred way to get bulk from one place to another. There is no way that some thing like Italy sending 60 PP a week to Germany was going to happen, in my opinion.

These are not just subdivisions of one monolithic alliance, but real nations, and they do not share "nice".

Chuck

Actually there was a lot sharing - Germany sent a lot of weapons and technologies to its minors, and received a lot of raw materials etc. All this in game should be represented as PPs transfer.

I don't think Germany sent "many" weapons to its minors at all. In general I think they let them fight with what they had. Some Panzer IVs to the Hungarians perhaps, but as far as I know all the Tigers in Italy were in German hands. Be that as it may, I have played in games where 100% of Italian PP flowed in a convoy from Genoa to Marseilles (German). This is what needs regulation. We did it by house rule that there was a limit of 10% of production given away. I would think this would work with "railroad" transfer too. I have no problem with rail transfer of PP as long as the effect on the heavily burdened rail lines are modeled.

Chuck