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OK, so whats the crack here.

I've got some heavy equipment in there, howitzers and engineering vehicles and such, at Port Moresby. It's only a level 2 port, but I've unloaded similar things (SeaBees have heavy equipment) elsewhere at even smaller places.

I've tried transport missions. I've tried amphibious missions. I've tried xAPs. I've tried APs.

Nothing works, I can't unload.

What gives?

Here is the sort of stuff thats on board. The infantry unloaded and left this stuff behind.

Are you sure it's not unloading? I've had times when I thought things weren't unloading (coastal defense guns I delivered to Midway). However, it just took a VERY long time...like...1 gun a day (out of 24 total that needed to be unloaded). I do believe through Amphib TF's you can unload nearly anything...it just might take a very long time for certain heavy equipment.

That's what happened to me when I tried to unload an EAB at Suva; I got the orange "cancel unload order" on the TF screen and when I looked at the ships still unloading, engineering vehicles were all that was left.  I had to split the TF into individual ships and dock them one at a time to get the orange color to disappear.  Still don't know if they'll unload though.  What was odd was once I split the TF and docked one ship, the others lost the orange coloring too even though they had engineering vehicles left to unload as well.

What port size is Port Moresby and how many troops are already there? Once you reach the port capacity of the port, unloading is a very slow process. A port size of 2 will only handle 6000 troops, unloading more is a very very slow process, it may take a week or more even with AP's!

ORIGINAL: pad152

What port size is Port Moresby and how many troops are already there? Once you reach the port capacity of the port, unloading is a very slow process. A port size of 2 will only handle 6000 troops, unloading more is a very very slow process, it may take a week or more even with AP's!

If it took a week, I wouldn't mind. They are not unloading, at all. Port Moresby has unlimited troop capacity.

Notice the button is redded out. Clicking on it gets a message about how "not everything can be unloaded at this location". Apparently so, but why?

This particular TF is over the port tonnage limit, it is true (thats why its an amphib TF, as I am led to understand that its better to go over the beach than use an overloaded port). However, the same result happens with smaller transport TFs that fit into the port.

Try using TF's that are small enough to dock.

Yes the large APs are too large to dock and some large equipment will not load/unload unless docked unless packaged in amphib tf. Use must use xAP or smaller vessels.

ORIGINAL: mark24

Try using TF's that are small enough to dock.

I have. Doesn't work. Same issue.

ORIGINAL: medicff

Yes the large APs are too large to dock and some large equipment will not load/unload unless docked unless packaged in amphib tf. Use must use xAP or smaller vessels.

It is an amphibious TF...

When the unload/cancel unload cargo/troops control is red, there is a mouseover explaining why (in general terms).

I've had this same issue, the mouseover simply said unable to unload or something to that effect. The issue in my case is everything unloaded except for radar I believe. I tried everything, even creating a new TF small enough to dock. This happened for a few turns, then suddenly unloaded one turn. Wish I knew why, since then I could understand why it wouldn't unload to begin with.

You won’t be able to unload across the docks unless your load was set on strategic mode when it was initially loaded. Also some loads are too heavy to be unloaded across the beach in amphibious mode.

DP.

My guess is you have heavy equipment loaded into troop space on the AP. Due to the Heavy Equipment ->Troop Space Offset which multiplies loadcost the Heavy Equipment now has a Loadcost far in excess of the Port capacity. Try loading the Equipment onto an AK or xAK using Cargo space instead of Troop space...


I'll get you a manual ref in a sec...

ORIGINAL: treespider

My guess is you have heavy equipment loaded into troop space on the AP. Due to the Heavy Equipment ->Troop Space Offset which multiplies loadcost the Heavy Equipment now has a Loadcost far in excess of the Port capacity. Try loading the Equipment onto an AK or xAK using Cargo space instead of Troop space...


I'll get you a manual ref in a sec...

Heavy Equipment (loadcost greater than 9) actually is multiplied by 3 when loaded ... So a 9 point item uses 27 points of space - (p111 and 112)
Medium Equipment (LC 5-8) is multiplied by 2...5 points actually uses 10.


However, The Cargo in Troop Space offset for an AP is 3 (chart on p120) which means you now multiply the modified Loadcost by 3.

The 2pdr AT gun is a 5 which is actaully 10 which becomes 30 in Troop Space.
The 18 Pounder is a 10 which is actually 30 which becomes 90 in Troop Space.

A Size 2 port can only unload 300 points of Cargo a turn from an AP in an Amphib TF when it is docked (p128)

However when it is not docked the rate is slower depending on port size...(p128)...

Alas the AP President Adams has 3250 Cargo Capacity...so...hmmm...

18 Pdr would be a 10 which is still 30 points of Cargo space.

So the undocked unload rate at a friendly level 2 must be pretty small....alluded to on (p.128 and 126)

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

You won’t be able to unload across the docks unless your load was set on strategic mode when it was initially loaded. Also some loads are too heavy to be unloaded across the beach in amphibious mode.

DP.

Thanks, this must be what I did wrong. I was in amphib/combat mode. I need to dig into this section of the manual some. [:)]

I was reading that the marines had found a work around that involved a type of barge that was on the deck of the AK. they would lower it into the water and then crane the equipment to it and move it to the beach. It might already be abstracted into the game but that would leave me to believe that the US should be able to unload anywhere if the TF is in amphib mode.

ORIGINAL: treespider

Alas the AP President Adams has 3250 Cargo Capacity...so...hmmm...

18 Pdr would be a 10 which is still 30 points of Cargo space.

So the undocked unload rate at a friendly level 2 must be pretty small....alluded to on (p.128 and 126)

It isn't a problem with rate, if it was happening slowly that would be progress - it simply isn't happening, period.

I'll have to try splitting up the TF, but I swear I tried it with a transport TF and one that fit into the port size before and it did the same thing.

ORIGINAL: DivePac88 Also some loads are too heavy to be unloaded across the beach in amphibious mode.

It must be this - but... engineering vehicles? I've already unloaded some of those with an amphibious TF.