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Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:08 am
by NightFlyer
In this dramatic picture of Bettys at Tulagi, a couple of the Bettys seem to be flying only 4m or 13 feet above the water (the length of a G4M is 20m) [X(]

RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:15 am
by Speedysteve
It's certainly some skillful flying...........
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:24 am
by Puhis
ORIGINAL: Speedy
It's certainly some skillful flying...........
Yeah, experience of 65 skillful. [:D]
I wonder how many of those survived?
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:28 am
by Zebedee
Spot the guy who was just pulled out of the pilot pool

RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:37 am
by Sheytan
Here is the After action report. The photo you see was the attack launched on the 8th of August, 1942.
The Japanese tried again the next day, this time with 27 "Betty" bombers fitted with aerial torpedos and an escort of 15 "Zeros". Once more, they failed to locate the U.S. aircraft carriers, but made a daring low-level torpedo attack on the Vice Admiral Turner's amphibious force. Turner skillfully maneuvered his ships in the sound between Guadalcanal and Tulagi, throwing off the enemy's aim. Only one torpedo scored, hitting destroyer Jarvis in the bow. The transport George F. Elliot was struck amidships by a crashing bomber and was set afire. Japanese losses were very heavy, about seventeen bombers and two fighters, the great majority to the ship's anti-aircraft guns.
ORIGINAL: Puhis
ORIGINAL: Speedy
It's certainly some skillful flying...........
Yeah, experience of 65 skillful. [:D]
I wonder how many of those survived?
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:47 am
by Sheytan
More pictures of the same attack.

RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:49 am
by Sheytan
Another...

RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:50 am
by Sheytan
And another...

RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:40 pm
by SteveD64
In the Guadalcanal scenario, Betty pilots are usually the best trained.
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:55 pm
by dorjun driver
It always boggles my mind to imagine what that feels like from the pilots side.
Damn.
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:29 pm
by m10bob
IRL the Japanese had 2 Betty squadrons who had very intensive torpedo training. They were used in sinking the POW and Repulse...From there, they were sent to Rabail..These are them..They were decimated in the Solomons.
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:43 pm
by SteveD64
How close to the target did the Betty have to get before launching?
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:30 pm
by Dili
Probably even less than 500m.
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:33 pm
by Oddball_France
could i ask, where do you find these nice pictures ?
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:36 pm
by Mike Scholl
ORIGINAL: dorjun driver
It always boggles my mind to imagine what that feels like from the pilots side. Damn!
Probably a feeling very close to that experianced by a Kamikaze pilot. Especially as AAA got stronger and more accurate. By 1943, most Betty Torpedo strikes seem to have been made at night.
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:12 pm
by cantona2
As a side note, what website is the source for those great photos?
Thanks
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:01 pm
by invernomuto
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:16 pm
by sfbaytf
IIRC the last picture of the shot down Betty in the water. The pilot was still alive and instead of being taken prisoner, shot himself.
Betties had great range, but they were flying gas cans. No self sealing tanks and little or no armor-this is what gives them such great range. I think the Japanese called them flying cigars.
I also believe many if not most Japanese pilots flew into combat without parachutes.
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:06 pm
by Sheytan
The Naval History and Heritage Command webpage.
RE: Flying low enough?
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:24 pm
by CEDeaton
I've done a bit of low-level flying when I was much younger. If you you have the "need for speed", that's how you satisfy it!
Doing it through that kind of flak, and holding it together, takes balls of steel.
GREAT pictures!