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Posted: **Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:24 am**

Does this game support wide screen? 1920 x 1080

Posted: **Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:52 am**

It will run on your system, but it will not scale to 1920. This game is based on an older engine, updated and enhanced to run on modern operating systems and with improved gameplay and realism (it's the best sim of this kind). But some tricks you can't teach to old dogs and getting the engine to scale up to higher resolutions was one of them. It does have a windowed mode however, and all modern display drivers allow you to adjust your flat panel scaling to make sure that it does not look "stretched" or otherwise distorted.

Posted: **Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:42 pm**

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
all modern display drivers allow you to adjust your flat panel scaling to make sure that it does not look "stretched" or otherwise distorted.

Unfortunately that does not apply to Catalyst drivers for Windows 7.

Posted: **Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:46 pm**

Windows 7 is not yet officially released (or supported) - given how long it took for drivers to get up to speed for Vista, I wouldn't form any conclusions on Windows 7 driver support yet.

Posted: **Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:49 pm**

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

It will run on your system, but it will not scale to 1920. This game is based on an older engine, updated and enhanced to run on modern operating systems and with improved gameplay and realism (it's the best sim of this kind). But some tricks you can't teach to old dogs and getting the engine to scale up to higher resolutions was one of them. It does have a windowed mode however, and all modern display drivers allow you to adjust your flat panel scaling to make sure that it does not look "stretched" or otherwise distorted.

I brought the game and not having wide screen support is disappointing..this makes a hugh difference in the game experience.

Posted: **Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:51 pm**

ORIGINAL: cdcool

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

It will run on your system, but it will not scale to 1920. This game is based on an older engine, updated and enhanced to run on modern operating systems and with improved gameplay and realism (it's the best sim of this kind). But some tricks you can't teach to old dogs and getting the engine to scale up to higher resolutions was one of them. It does have a windowed mode however, and all modern display drivers allow you to adjust your flat panel scaling to make sure that it does not look "stretched" or otherwise distorted.

I brought the game and not having wide screen support is disappointing..this makes a hugh difference in the game experience.

Don't even bother, this what I've been trying to tell these people all this time.It's sad that they don't give a damn.It's not like we are asking for better graphics, we just want these great games to utilize the full glory of our widescreen.The SP Camo guys did it with SPWW2 and SPMBT(These old DOS Box games now support resolutions as high as 1680x1200).Don't see how these guys can't.

Posted: **Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:12 pm**

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

ORIGINAL: cdcool

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

It will run on your system, but it will not scale to 1920. This game is based on an older engine, updated and enhanced to run on modern operating systems and with improved gameplay and realism (it's the best sim of this kind). But some tricks you can't teach to old dogs and getting the engine to scale up to higher resolutions was one of them. It does have a windowed mode however, and all modern display drivers allow you to adjust your flat panel scaling to make sure that it does not look "stretched" or otherwise distorted.

I brought the game and not having wide screen support is disappointing..this makes a hugh difference in the game experience.

Don't even bother, this what I've been trying to tell these people all this time.It's sad that they don't give a damn.It's not like we are asking for better graphics, we just want these great games to utilize the full glory of our widescreen.The SP Camo guys did it with SPWW2 and SPMBT(These old DOS Box games now support resolutions as high as 1680x1200).Don't see how these guys can't.

I agree, I won't be buying any more Matix games that can't support higher resolutions in this day and age.

Posted: **Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:14 pm**

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey
Don't even bother, this what I've been trying to tell these people all this time.It's sad that they don't give a damn.It's not like we are asking for better graphics, we just want these great games to utilize the full glory of our widescreen.The SP Camo guys did it with SPWW2 and SPMBT(These old DOS Box games now support resolutions as high as 1680x1200).Don't see how these guys can't.

We do "give a damn". I would LOVE to have this game run in 1680x1050 on my desktop, but that is also not the be-all/end-all of how I judge a game, especially a strategy title. Plus, even scaled up to 1680x1050 without the native res support, it looks great on my system. The additional native res support would just let me see more of the map at the same time.

It is much easier to do variable resolution support with a new engine and easier to do with some old engines than with others. In this case it was simply prohibitive. The original engine for this game is from the mid-90s. Think about what state DirectX and display resolution were in then. Please note that Operation Barbarossa, our newest "new game" release supports all resolutions.

We specifically note the resolution support in the game specs as well so that customers can make an informed decision. Frankly though, part of the bargain with these older games is that variable resolution support in some cases is simply impossible in any realistic sense. We chose to focus our effort on things we could actually do to improve the game and make it compatible with modern operating systems rather than trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

I'm also disappointed that customer don't educate themselves on what their video cards and display drivers can do. Time and again, a complaint on graphics quality with a game comes down to poor driver settings or in the case of fixed resolution games, not understanding how to set the scaling settings.

Regards,

- Erik

Posted: **Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:28 pm**

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey
Don't even bother, this what I've been trying to tell these people all this time.It's sad that they don't give a damn.It's not like we are asking for better graphics, we just want these great games to utilize the full glory of our widescreen.The SP Camo guys did it with SPWW2 and SPMBT(These old DOS Box games now support resolutions as high as 1680x1200).Don't see how these guys can't.

We do "give a damn". I would LOVE to have this game run in 1680x1050 on my desktop, but that is also not the be-all/end-all of how I judge a game, especially a strategy title. Plus, even scaled up to 1680x1050 without the native res support, it looks great on my system. The additional native res support would just let me see more of the map at the same time.

It is much easier to do variable resolution support with a new engine and easier to do with some old engines than with others. In this case it was simply prohibitive. The original engine for this game is from the mid-90s. Think about what state DirectX and display resolution were in then. Please note that Operation Barbarossa, our newest "new game" release supports all resolutions.

We specifically note the resolution support in the game specs as well so that customers can make an informed decision. Frankly though, part of the bargain with these older games is that variable resolution support in some cases is simply impossible in any realistic sense. We chose to focus our effort on things we could actually do to improve the game and make it compatible with modern operating systems rather than trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

I'm also disappointed that customer don't educate themselves on what their video cards and display drivers can do. Time and again, a complaint on graphics quality with a game comes down to poor driver settings or in the case of fixed resolution games, not understanding how to set the scaling settings.

Regards,

- Erik

I read the spec's of the game before I brought the game , but was hoping for the implementaion of higher graphics, my mistake.

The game does not look good in my opinion only taking up about half the size of the screen, running the game in a window or not. Harpoon and many older games can run or were made to run at higher resolutions with no issues.

Posted: **Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:37 pm**

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey
Don't even bother, this what I've been trying to tell these people all this time.It's sad that they don't give a damn.It's not like we are asking for better graphics, we just want these great games to utilize the full glory of our widescreen.The SP Camo guys did it with SPWW2 and SPMBT(These old DOS Box games now support resolutions as high as 1680x1200).Don't see how these guys can't.

We do "give a damn". I would LOVE to have this game run in 1680x1050 on my desktop, but that is also not the be-all/end-all of how I judge a game, especially a strategy title. Plus, even scaled up to 1680x1050 without the native res support, it looks great on my system. The additional native res support would just let me see more of the map at the same time.

It is much easier to do variable resolution support with a new engine and easier to do with some old engines than with others. In this case it was simply prohibitive. The original engine for this game is from the mid-90s. Think about what state DirectX and display resolution were in then. Please note that Operation Barbarossa, our newest "new game" release supports all resolutions.

We specifically note the resolution support in the game specs as well so that customers can make an informed decision. Frankly though, part of the bargain with these older games is that variable resolution support in some cases is simply impossible in any realistic sense. We chose to focus our effort on things we could actually do to improve the game and make it compatible with modern operating systems rather than trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

I'm also disappointed that customer don't educate themselves on what their video cards and display drivers can do. Time and again, a complaint on graphics quality with a game comes down to poor driver settings or in the case of fixed resolution games, not understanding how to set the scaling settings.

Regards,

- Erik

I understand erik.That sounded meaner than I wanted it to, my bad.Also, I now what my video card can do, the game(WitP:AE) isn't distorted, it just doesn't cover my full screen.Good for you that it takes all of the screen(No sarcasm here) but not all of us have the 1024x768 aspect ratio.Alot of us are stuck with ugly black bars on the side, or a small little window in windowed mode, I hope you guys understand that.Again sorry it came out the way it did.All good Erik.[:)]

Posted: **Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:39 pm**

ORIGINAL: cdcool
The game does not look good in my opinion only taking up about half the size of the screen, running the game in a window or not. Harpoon and many older games can run or were made to run at higher resolutions with no issues.

Unfortunately, you really cannot compare one engine to another when it comes to whether higher res support is really possible. I suppose anything is technically possible, but would it be feasible is another question. The gameplay and the realism are what this title is about, again we would have loved to add variable resolution but you are talking about an engine that was not originally designed with that in mind at all.

Regards,

- Erik

Posted: **Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:41 pm**

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey
Don't even bother, this what I've been trying to tell these people all this time.It's sad that they don't give a damn.It's not like we are asking for better graphics, we just want these great games to utilize the full glory of our widescreen.The SP Camo guys did it with SPWW2 and SPMBT(These old DOS Box games now support resolutions as high as 1680x1200).Don't see how these guys can't.

We do "give a damn". I would LOVE to have this game run in 1680x1050 on my desktop, but that is also not the be-all/end-all of how I judge a game, especially a strategy title. Plus, even scaled up to 1680x1050 without the native res support, it looks great on my system. The additional native res support would just let me see more of the map at the same time.

It is much easier to do variable resolution support with a new engine and easier to do with some old engines than with others. In this case it was simply prohibitive. The original engine for this game is from the mid-90s. Think about what state DirectX and display resolution were in then. Please note that Operation Barbarossa, our newest "new game" release supports all resolutions.

We specifically note the resolution support in the game specs as well so that customers can make an informed decision. Frankly though, part of the bargain with these older games is that variable resolution support in some cases is simply impossible in any realistic sense. We chose to focus our effort on things we could actually do to improve the game and make it compatible with modern operating systems rather than trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

I'm also disappointed that customer don't educate themselves on what their video cards and display drivers can do. Time and again, a complaint on graphics quality with a game comes down to poor driver settings or in the case of fixed resolution games, not understanding how to set the scaling settings.

Regards,

- Erik

I understand erik.That sounded meaner than I wanted it to, my bad.Also, I now what my video card can do, the game(WitP:AE) isn't distorted, it just doesn't cover my full screen.Good for you that it takes all of the screen(No sarcasm here) but not all of us have the 1024x768 aspect ratio.Alot of us are stuck with ugly black bars on the side, or a small little window in windowed mode, I hope you guys understand that.Again sorry it came out the way it did.All good Erik.[:)]

Exactly!!

Posted: **Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:54 pm**

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

ORIGINAL: cdcool
The game does not look good in my opinion only taking up about half the size of the screen, running the game in a window or not. Harpoon and many older games can run or were made to run at higher resolutions with no issues.

Unfortunately, you really cannot compare one engine to another when it comes to whether higher res support is really possible. I suppose anything is technically possible, but would it be feasible is another question. The gameplay and the realism are what this title is about, again we would have loved to add variable resolution but you are talking about an engine that was not originally designed with that in mind at all.

Regards,

- Erik

Nobody is questioning the gameplay and realism, that's great!

Having a black boarder around the game takes away from the total in game experience on a 1920 x 1080p HD 37 inch monitor. Just wants me not want to play the game at all. Let me try it on my laptop which also has the same resolution., same issue.

I think it should be looked at more closely by you guy's to see if it is technically feasable, it may just increase your sales.

I would think it can be done with some effort, how much more could it cost?

Posted: **Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:18 am**

I would be willing to pay a reasaonably extra price to get higher resolutions.I admit, the resolution issue has thrown me off a couple games.The perfect example:Hornet Leader PC.The game has a fixed resolution that is too high for most monitors, so the game covers more than your screen can handle and you have scroll around the menus and interface.Good thing there was a demo for this otherwise I would've been pissed.This one perfect example that having a fixed resolution has lost a sale.I personally thought the game was great, but it was just too big for my monitor, so I had no choice but to pass.

I have a challenge for Erik and Gary Garisby:

Get a 1900 res widescreen monitor and play all those games with the ugly bars.Then I would like see how you guys feel.[:D]

Posted: **Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:40 am**

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

I would be willing to pay a reasaonably extra price to get higher resolutions.I admit, the resolution issue has thrown me off a couple games.The perfect example:Hornet Leader PC.The game has a fixed resolution that is too high for most monitors, so the game covers more than your screen can handle and you have scroll around the menus and interface.Good thing there was a demo for this otherwise I would've been pissed.This one perfect example that having a fixed resolution has lost a sale.I personally thought the game was great, but it was just too big for my monitor, so I had no choice but to pass.

I have a challenge for Erik and Gary Garisby:

Get a 1900 res widescreen monitor and play all those games with the ugly bars.Then I would like see how you guys feel.[:D]

I would also pay for the development., it's worth it.

The resolution changes the whole in game experience on a large monitor, that's why we buy them.

Posted: **Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:49 am**

I don't think you'd find one guy who wouldn't like good use of native resolutions. I'd like a V-8 in my car that got 70 MPG, too.

My guess is that the game is coded to 1024x768, and all the visual elements are coded to that. Scaling to match a different resolution isn't in the code, so the entire codebase involved with the display of the game would have to be re-written, it's easy to say until you look at all the code that needs to be re-written. A real PITA. I'd just as soon have the game at 1024x768 than no game at all, if that's the choice, because it's a lot of work for "eye candy." And that's all this is, eye-candy. These games aren't visual bonanzas, no matter the resolution.

You should see the complaining about games that have great graphics but are, um, lacking in gameplay. It's like Hollywood stuff today: all effects, no plot, no character.

Posted: **Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:13 am**

ORIGINAL: jazman

(snip)
You should see the complaining about games that have great graphics but are, um, lacking in gameplay. It's like Hollywood stuff today: all effects, no plot, no character.

Amen, brother. I'd much rather have a good, solid game with less glitzy graphics, than all the 3-D super duper visual circus stuff on top of a lousy product. I trust Matrix - from experience - to get the important things right.

Posted: **Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:59 pm**

ORIGINAL: gunnergoz

ORIGINAL: jazman

(snip)
You should see the complaining about games that have great graphics but are, um, lacking in gameplay. It's like Hollywood stuff today: all effects, no plot, no character.

Amen, brother. I'd much rather have a good, solid game with less glitzy graphics, than all the 3-D super duper visual circus stuff on top of a lousy product. I trust Matrix - from experience - to get the important things right.

I would rather a have a game with good solid gameplay and takes adavantage of the latest gaming resolutions, or at lease come close, if they can't do that, then I will have to pass.

I'm not paying/playing these games with a large black bars on the side or in a small window, no matter how good the gameplay is. I guess most of you guys don't have 1080p monitors., if you did, you would see my point. It's a real shame since I played most of these games when they first came out and yea they did look fine on the hardware available at that time.

As I said earlier I would pay for the extra effort if there was anyway to get around the hard coded resolutions. I personally think most of you are pefectly happy playing games in 1024 X 768...enjoy!!

Posted: **Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:51 pm**

ORIGINAL: cdcool

I'm not paying/playing these games with a large black bars on the side or in a small window, no matter how good the gameplay is.

No matter how good the gameplay, is?! That's just excessive, like refusing to watch movies that are B&W.

Posted: **Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:06 pm**

ORIGINAL: jazman

ORIGINAL: cdcool

I'm not paying/playing these games with a large black bars on the side or in a small window, no matter how good the gameplay is.

No matter how good the gameplay, is?! That's just excessive, like refusing to watch movies that are B&W.

You can watch B&W movies on any HD television at any screen size and still take advantage of the entire size of the television screen, even if the movie is not in high definition.

I do watch B&W movies ocasionally, so that was a bad example on your part.

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