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Not a WitPAE player but played UV for some time. I just enjoy reading the AAR's. Some very exciting reports.

But the reasons for writing in this forum are.
Is there anybody out there who can tell what the FOW is really about?

I know from other games you don't see all the info on the map. But reports of ships being sunk only to reappear somewhere else sounds interesting.

How good is the intel you get and how does it work?

How much time is spent on each turn? How much micromanagement is needed for the game?

Thinking of buying but just need to know how much free time my GF will need to let me have.[:D]

ORIGINAL: british exil

Not a WitPAE player but played UV for some time. I just enjoy reading the AAR's. Some very exciting reports.

But the reasons for writing in this forum are.
Is there anybody out there who can tell what the FOW is really about?

I know from other games you don't see all the info on the map. But reports of ships being sunk only to reappear somewhere else sounds interesting.

How good is the intel you get and how does it work?

How much time is spent on each turn? How much micromanagement is needed for the game?

Thinking of buying but just need to know how much free time my GF will need to let me have.[:D]

for the time used: the first turn 6-8 hours (as allied) 12-16 as japan. after that it vary from two hours to 10 min, depending if i've operation to check or only awaiting the piece arrive in place.
High level of micromanagment, but with method the time can be reduced to acceptable most of the time.

For FOW you should probably read this one: tm.asp?m=2228814&mpage=1&key=&#2228814

I started the thread with some questions but unfortunatly noone of the Dev Team answered, but could be usefull anyway

Fog of war in this game makes all reports near useless.

Yes the FOW is SO SEVERE Actually , I hardly read any of it its all rubbish, needs toning down a bit - anyone else agree?




Cav

In the Guadalcanal scenario, I was able to ambush a Japanese troop reinforcements bound for Guadalcanal using the sigint reports. But then again, the sigint reports never seem to tell me when KB leaves Truk and I've resorted to setting up sub pickets instead.

ORIGINAL: cavalry

Yes the FOW is SO SEVERE Actually , I hardly read any of it its all rubbish, needs toning down a bit - anyone else agree?




Cav

Totally disagree. Love the FOW.

So the FOW is a matter of taste then. I read in the other link, posted by Wittman, that it can be turned off to a certain degree.

The Intel is then depending on where your picketline is placed? Aircraft and subs spotting certain movements, or do you get a message at the begininning of a round informing you what may have been sighted?

You have signal intelligence, operational reports, and enemy units of the map to help you make sense of what's going on. For the Guadalcanal scenario, I add sub pickets to augment this information. If I was playing the Grand Campaign, I would probably still have some sub pickets, but would only use them during major operations since there aren't enough subs available to carry out anti-shipping patrols and continuous picket duty.

Below are examples of both Sigint and Operational Reports...

SIG INT REPORT FOR Nov 01, 42

Radio transmissions detected at 115,160.
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Rabaul (106,125).
Radio transmissions detected at Wewak (96,119).
Radio transmissions detected at 99,163.
Radio transmissions detected at Ominato (-1,-1).

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SIG INT REPORT FOR Nov 02, 42

7th Base Force is located at Lae(99,126).
Radio transmissions detected at Wewak (96,119).
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Truk (112,108).
Radio transmissions detected at 106,129.
Radio transmissions detected at 103,171.
Radio transmissions detected at Rabaul (106,125).
38th/228th Inf Regiment is located at Tassafaronga(113,137).
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Truk (112,108).
Radio transmissions detected at Lae (99,126).
Combined Fleet is located at Truk(112,108).
144th Infantry Regiment is planning for an attack on Port Moresby.

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SIG INT REPORT FOR Nov 03, 42

1st Ind Tank Comp. is located at Truk(112,108).
Radio transmissions detected at 93,167.
Radio call sign of SS I-15 detected at 112,163.
2nd/2nd Engineer Regiment is located at Tassafaronga(113,137).

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OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Nov 01, 42

SS Gudgeon reports having been sighted by the enemy at 111 , 131
Coastwatcher Report: xAK Yodogawa Maru reported in port at Shortlands
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Vella Lavella
Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Lae
Coastwatcher Report: 4 ships reported in port at Rabaul
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Kavieng is reported empty
Task Force 28 slows down to allow following TF 1 to catch up
Coastwatcher sighting: 1 Japanese ship at 107,126 near Rabaul , Speed 26 , Moving Southeast
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Lae
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Rabaul is reported empty
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Kavieng is reported empty
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Buka
Task Force 28 slows down to allow following TF 1 to catch up
Coastwatcher sighting: 2 Japanese ships at 109,131 near Shortlands , Speed 0 , Moving East
Hudson III (LR) reports shape below surface at 112, 163 near Noumea
Japanese Torpedo Bomber sighted over Milne Bay
Japanese Fighter Bomber sighted over Milne Bay
P-40E Warhawk from 49th FG/9th FS is damaged on landing
Walrus II reports possible submarine at 96, 160 near Brisbane
Walrus II sighting report: 5 Japanese ships at 96,160 near Brisbane, speed 13, Moving Northwest
PBY-5A Catalina from VP-72 is damaged on landing
B-26 Marauder from 22nd BG/2nd BS grounded due to maintenance
3 x Catalina I transporting supplies to Milne Bay
Heath R. of 8th PRS is promoted to 1LT
SC-749 arrives at Noumea

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OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Nov 02, 42

SS Grayback reports having been sighted by the enemy at 107 , 120
SS Gudgeon leaving patrol zone to replenish at Noumea
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Shortlands is reported empty
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Thousand Ships Bay
Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships reported in port at Rabaul
Coastwatcher Report: CA Kinugasa reported in port at Kavieng
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Buka
Task Force 28 slows down to allow following TF 1 to catch up
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Russell Islands
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Thousand Ships Bay
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Vella Lavella
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Salamaua
Coastwatcher Report: xAK Tatuno Maru reported in port at Rabaul
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Kavieng is reported empty
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Torokina
Task Force 28 slows down to allow following TF 1 to catch up
TF 7 sighted by Japanese Float Fighter at 97,162 near Brisbane
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Lunga
Japanese Recon sighted over Lunga
B-17E Fortress from 43rd BG/65th BS grounded due to maintenance
P-39D Airacobra from 8th FG/36th FS is written off
B-17E Fortress from 43rd BG/65th BS grounded due to maintenance
TF 28 sights Japanese Recon at 92,144 near Townsville
Japanese Fighter Bomber sighted over Lunga
J1N1-C Irving sighted over 1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
Beaufighter IC from No.30 Sqd RAAF is damaged on landing
Walrus II from S10/No.700 Sqd FAA is damaged on landing
Hudson III (LR) from No.9 Sqd RNZAF is damaged on landing
3 x Catalina I transporting supplies to Milne Bay
Dwight R. of 3/VO-5 is promoted to LT
Previous report of sinking of SS I-122 incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
VMSB-142 arrives at Luganville

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OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Nov 03, 42

SS Sailfish reports having been sighted by the enemy at 112 , 133
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Shortlands is reported empty
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Vella Lavella
Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Lae
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Rabaul is reported empty
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Kavieng is reported empty
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Buka
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Torokina
Coastwatcher sighting: 2 Japanese ships at 106,125 near Rabaul , Speed unknown
Coastwatcher sighting: 2 Japanese ships at 106,125 near Rabaul , Speed unknown
Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Buna
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Salamaua
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Rabaul is reported empty
Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Torokina
Coastwatcher sighting: 2 Japanese ships at 106,125 near Rabaul , Speed unknown
Coastwatcher sighting: 3 Japanese ships at 106,122 near Kavieng , Speed 5 , Moving Northeast
Coastwatcher sighting: 4 Japanese ships at 106,122 near Kavieng , Speed 13 , Moving Northeast
TF 28 snooped by Japanese Aircraft at 93,141 near Cairns
SOC-1 Seagull reports oil slick at 115, 159 near Noumea
SOC-1 Seagull sighting report: 7 Japanese ships at 115,159 near Noumea, speed 20, Moving Southwest
Walrus II reports submarine wake at 96, 160 near Brisbane
Walrus II sighting report: 4 Japanese ships at 96,160 near Brisbane, speed 13, Moving West
B-17E Fortress from 43rd BG/65th BS grounded due to maintenance
B-17E Fortress from 43rd BG/65th BS grounded due to maintenance
B-17E Fortress from 43rd BG/65th BS grounded due to maintenance
B-17E Fortress from 43rd BG/65th BS grounded due to maintenance
TF 30 followed by Japanese Fighter Bomber at 90,167 near Sydney
PBY-5 Catalina sighting report: 7 Japanese ships at 128,135 near Reef Islands, speed 18, Moving East
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Lunga
J1N1-C Irving sighted over Lunga
3 x Catalina I transporting supplies to Milne Bay
Hickman E. of VP-11 is promoted to LTJG
Welch G. of VP-72 is promoted to LT
Porter P. of 8th FG/35th FS is promoted to 1LT
SS Seadragon arrives at Brisbane

Thanks for the rapid response.

I gather from all the responses that it seems to be a "fun" game to play.
Just that the learning curve is very steep, similar to UV in some aspects but much grander. Not sure if I can find the time for a PBEM, unless the game can be saved during the turn. A few hours per turn will not be easy.

But I will keep my eye on this forum. Busy and very much alive.

Thanks once again.

Mathew

Thinking of buying but just need to know how much free time my GF will need to let me have.

You'll have to lose the girlfriend. They are incompatible with WitP AE.

Now, if she happens to be a wargamer, then you have it made. Otherwise, game over!

Chez

The turns can be saved while you are working on them. Once you are satisfied with the turn, you hit a button to end the orders phase of the turn.

ORIGINAL: british exil

Thanks for the rapid response.

I gather from all the responses that it seems to be a "fun" game to play.
Just that the learning curve is very steep, similar to UV in some aspects but much grander. Not sure if I can find the time for a PBEM, unless the game can be saved during the turn. A few hours per turn will not be easy.

But I will keep my eye on this forum. Busy and very much alive.

Thanks once again.

Mathew

ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez

Thinking of buying but just need to know how much free time my GF will need to let me have.

You'll have to lose the girlfriend. They are incompatible with WitP AE.

Now, if she happens to be a wargamer, then you have it made. Otherwise, game over!

Chez

LOL. Nice answer.

Well she did just help me buy my new pc. So I think she approves of my "hobby", but life can be very demanding. Maybe I'll just have to buy her a bunch of flowers every now and then. And throw in a box of chocolates too.

As from the thread i posted before, i also believe that approx. 25% of the report informations you are see are false..i can't prove it, but it's a guess. I am still analyse that stuff. Practical example for the Allies: grab a Text Crawler tool of your choice, pick four ( or more) Japanese LCUs which are fighting and appears "regulary" in the reports, make a search over all your saved reports in SAVE directory and track and compare them with the in-game appearance...sooner or later you have a good guess what is true and what not....long term...just my 2 cents

With the changes in the FOW. On your intell tab screen, under ship sunk. Is that set in concrete. In other words once it shows a enemy ship sunk then is it certain that it is? Trying to make sure access damage to the Jap player correctly[:D]

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

With the changes in the FOW. On your intell tab screen, under ship sunk. Is that set in concrete. In other words once it shows a enemy ship sunk then is it certain that it is?

No, absolutely not. There is so much fog of war on what ships are sunk and not sunk that even the code gets a little confused. Not to worry, we'll fix the code. For the player - reports are as accurate as wartime damage reports usually are.

Ok thanks Don. I was afraid of that.[:(]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

With the changes in the FOW. On your intell tab screen, under ship sunk. Is that set in concrete. In other words once it shows a enemy ship sunk then is it certain that it is?

No, absolutely not. There is so much fog of war on what ships are sunk and not sunk that even the code gets a little confused. Not to worry, we'll fix the code. For the player - reports are as accurate as wartime damage reports usually are.