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The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:49 am
by Phenix
Ok, first i really thougt this game was decent, but well into my second game, i notice that when im playing Germany the allies UK and USA aint doing nothing. im winning in Russia and in 2 games i have not seen 1!!! sea invasion from the allies?
Definately no D-day but not even a smaller diversion. I just dont mean in Germany or france im talking nowhere??
Have anyone experinced a good sea-invasion? or a bad one?
Whats the develelopers take on this?is this something they have encountered ever? or should we be content to beat up Russia ?
Do the game adopt, such as "ohh germany steamrolls Russia, we better do something" or an event like when Germany has taken baku (or whatever) 50 US divisions are automatically placed if the force pool ready to sail?
Or neither of the above???
In that case this is just half a game.
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:16 pm
by vonRocko
ORIGINAL: this is just half a game.
Bingo! give that man a cigar!
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:14 pm
by gwgardner
not so fast, drop that cigar!
How far are you into the game? Historically, the Allies couldn't do anything till the invasion in North Africa in late 42.
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:14 pm
by bo
ORIGINAL: Phenix
Ok, first i really thougt this game was decent, but well into my second game, i notice that when im playing Germany the allies UK and USA aint doing nothing. im winning in Russia and in 2 games i have not seen 1!!! sea invasion from the allies?
Definately no D-day but not even a smaller diversion. I just dont mean in Germany or france im talking nowhere??
Have anyone experinced a good sea-invasion? or a bad one?
Whats the develelopers take on this?is this something they have encountered ever? or should we be content to beat up Russia ?
Do the game adopt, such as "ohh germany steamrolls Russia, we better do something" or an event like when Germany has taken baku (or whatever) 50 US divisions are automatically placed if the force pool ready to sail?
Or neither of the above???
In that case this is just half a game.
This problem has never been solved and maybe never will be getting the AI to think like we do, probably the finest board game ever to be made will be coming to Matrix [dont know when, it has been six years worked on] in a computer version called MWIF and you should read those forums on the AI whew, scary.
Bo
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:39 am
by axisandallies
ORIGINAL: bo
ORIGINAL: Phenix
Ok, first i really thougt this game was decent, but well into my second game, i notice that when im playing Germany the allies UK and USA aint doing nothing. im winning in Russia and in 2 games i have not seen 1!!! sea invasion from the allies?
Definately no D-day but not even a smaller diversion. I just dont mean in Germany or france im talking nowhere??
Have anyone experinced a good sea-invasion? or a bad one?
Whats the develelopers take on this?is this something they have encountered ever? or should we be content to beat up Russia ?
Do the game adopt, such as "ohh germany steamrolls Russia, we better do something" or an event like when Germany has taken baku (or whatever) 50 US divisions are automatically placed if the force pool ready to sail?
Or neither of the above???
In that case this is just half a game.
This problem has never been solved and maybe never will be getting the AI to think like we do, probably the finest board game ever to be made will be coming to Matrix [dont know when, it has been six years worked on] in a computer version called MWIF and you should read those forums on the AI whew, scary.
Bo
I've played WIF for many years....I don't see how any AI could compete with a human player. I like you Bo have been waiting....When the AI becomes predictable is when the game becomes boring. If the game last into late 1943 or early 1944, I have noticed the US is very aggressive.
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:30 am
by NefariousKoel
I've never seen an AI do much in the way of amphibious landings. In any game I've ever played.
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:59 am
by AH4Ever
ORIGINAL: Phenix
...well into my second game, I notice that when playing Germany the allies UK and USA ain't doing nothing.
The AI seems to favor the USSR - This game I'm playing USA Difficulty set to hard - All other countries are AI except Denmark which I took over so I could utilize Copenhagen.
The UK AI has only re-based a couple of air units to Belgium.
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:23 pm
by NefariousKoel
In Soviet Russia, AI plays YOU!
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:14 pm
by Tomokatu
But in decadent capitalist West, AI steals all your PPs[:(], closes bank, sell your house[&:] then tell you this best system in whole world.[:D] Offers job for your little gurrl, though! Pretty gurrl.[:-]
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:42 am
by Phenix
but, but are we content with this ? No, we arent!
Why no answer from the developers on this i wonder...
?
Is this something thats going to be fixed in a patch or atleast bigger involvement from the US in the game? no?
Will the UK actually do anything beside sail the seven seas?
I understand its hard to create amphibious (sp) invasions from the ai (look at HOI) but i dont mind if the ai cheat to get the job done, somehow that atleast when Russia is on its knees they are doing something?
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:49 am
by Anraz
ORIGINAL: Phenix
Is this something thats going to be fixed in a patch or atleast bigger involvement from the US in the game? no?
Yes
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:54 am
by Phenix
Good! cheat away all you want as long as they do something
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:15 am
by Anraz
In fact AI has some scripts for amphibious invasions in North Africa, Sicily, Italy and France, but they work under some conditions and AI avoids suicidal assaults...
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:33 pm
by bo
ORIGINAL: Anraz
In fact AI has some scripts for amphibious invasions in North Africa, Sicily, Italy and France, but they work under some conditions and AI avoids suicidal assaults...
HI Anraz where have you been lately have not heard from you hope everything is okay with you and your family. Slight correction on the AI suicdal comment, the AI USA sent two small divisions into Sicily against strong Italian units [me] in the area which easily wiped them out and they the AI Americans had very little back up if any, I am going to make a suggestion in another post.
Bo
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:35 pm
by Anraz
Hi Bo, I had to take a few days off from the forum due to a need of healing the trauma which seared into my psyche after reading a few posts and realizing the evil we are bringing to the players...
I'm OK now though
I hope you have a sense of humor...
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:38 pm
by bo
ORIGINAL: Anraz
Hi Bo, I had to take a few days off from the forum due to a need of healing the trauma which seared into my psyche after reading a few posts and realizing the evil we are bringing to the players...
I'm OK now though
I hope you have a sense of humor...
Hi Anraz I do have a sense of humor, QUITE SOUR! If you are referring to me I will back off, trauma is not a good thing and I want you around when we pan TOW Pacific [:D] Glad to see you back REALLY I mean that. Again I like the game but would like to see some things done differently, if I didnt like the game I would be over at Battlefront harrasing them about their SC series, but they are hopless, so I stay here and annoy you. Besides Anraz my wife watches Jolly Joe the polka master and band leader here in Pennsylvania USA, not Transylvania [you know vampires] and if she knew I was picking on someone Polish I would be in big trouble [no perogies ever][:-]
Bo
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:57 pm
by vonRocko
ORIGINAL: bo
Jolly Joe the polka master
[:D]Jolly Joe Timmer! We're from the same neck of the woods Bo. I use to love seeing Happy Louie at Jolly Joes' grove. He used to give free beer up there! Many years ago now. [;)]
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:57 am
by Anraz
Hi Bo, I have neither been in Pennsylvania nor Transylvania, and also fortunately haven`t met any vampire (but who knows maybe one day I will regret it). Anyway I can list at least 20 American states just form the top of my head so my self-confidence allow me to believe I can distinguish those two places, especially while looking at a map... However who knows whether I would recognize a place properly if I was parachuted into one of those in the middle of night
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:22 pm
by bo
ORIGINAL: vonRocko
ORIGINAL: bo
Jolly Joe the polka master
[:D]Jolly Joe Timmer! We're from the same neck of the woods Bo. I use to love seeing Happy Louie at Jolly Joes' grove. He used to give free beer up there! Many years ago now. [;)]
Ooooops Von, Jolly Joe drives me nuts its my wife who likes him and she is Irish, we are from just outside of Philadelphia [go phillies] and he was on a cable station called RCN.
Bo
RE: The allies are paralyzed?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:25 pm
by bo
ORIGINAL: Anraz
Hi Bo, I have neither been in Pennsylvania nor Transylvania, and also fortunately haven`t met any vampire (but who knows maybe one day I will regret it). Anyway I can list at least 20 American states just form the top of my head so my self-confidence allow me to believe I can distinguish those two places, especially while looking at a map... However who knows whether I would recognize a place properly if I was parachuted into one of those in the middle of night
Uh Anraz,[>:] Transylvania is in Romania not the USA and you would not want to parachute into Philadelphia unless you had at least 3 divisions of paras to keep you safe.[:D]
Bo