My radar stations are gone!

[Stele]

Ok, no doubt my opponent is probably reading this, but I'm up against the wall. We're playing the Eagle Day; 1 week scenario. After the third turn he has already knocked out most of my radar stations on the coast, effectively blinding me for the next turn. He has caught up to me in points; the first two days were 2:1 losses in my favor, but this past day has been 1:1.

My squads are stretched and most of the primary fields south of London have taken heavy damage.

What are the alternatives, gentlemen?

[otisabuser2]

Have you read the AAR of Swift vs Kevin ?

Don't worry, Jerry can't invade yet. You still have the Royal Navy. [;)]

regards Otis

[Dixie]

You have two options.  Either pull out from Southern England and abandon some of those airfields, or use patrols to make sure you've got something airborne when the raids start arriving.  Whilst losing the radar is an inconvenience it's not as bad as it seems.

[Stele]

Thanks for the responses. Seems that patrols are the way to go after reading that AAR. Not sure when the radar will be back up, since this is only a one week scenario, but it looks like I still have the option of spotting the raids manually with raids, and falling back slightly to minimize losses of squads on the ground. I'll consider other things as I read more on that AAR and the forums.

[Nikademus]

I thought this was hard to do... (killing and keeping killed all those overlapping radar stations)[&:]

curious.

[JudgeDredd]

AFAIK the radar sites don't recover that fast. I'm only going here on what I saw when I played ED 1 Week scenario as LW...the radar sites I knocked out I'm pretty sure stayed down for the week...maybe not all and I may have re-targeted a few I can't recall.

[Nikademus]

They always seemed pretty easy (too easy) to destroy but this is an impression from the original game. Granted, there are ALOT of radar stations and knockin em all out takes some effort.

[K.Pooley]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

I thought this was hard to do... (killing and keeping killed all those overlapping radar stations)[&:]

Not if you've to the gift [;)]

But seriously, you have to make a pretty concerted attack to get them down, and you need constant recce thereafter otherwise they spring back up like weeds.

Kevin

[jomni]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

AFAIK the radar sites don't recover that fast. I'm only going here on what I saw when I played ED 1 Week scenario as LW...the radar sites I knocked out I'm pretty sure stayed down for the week...maybe not all and I may have re-targeted a few I can't recall.

Did you recon them after bombing?
You only think they're knocked out but they may be back online once you recon them again.

[Baron von Beer]

Knocking them out may be easy, but there is at least a trade off, to a degree.  In reality,they didn't cover inward, only ~90 (120?) degrees, facing outward. In game they get 360 degree coverage, which means making a hole is a lot harder since adjacent stations provide parallel overlapping coverage.

If the stations were too difficult, than the pendulum would be too far in the other direction IMO. Using Dover for example, instead of having one or two very difficult stations to make a coverage gap, you would have 7 or 8. As is, they are not overly resilient, but you must visit over a half dozen sites every five or so days. Any one coming back online largely nullifies the others that are down.

Also of note: Raid size. [;)] So many of the attacks on the CH/CHL stations were by 1-2 dozen aircraft. Speaking for myself, "Good" results typically take 60 or more bombers. On the extreme end, I've had 90 bomber raids @ 9k feet do 0-25% too.

[kaybayray]

I believe the Manual clearly states Radar Repair Rate = 5/day. You could probably take a Radar site out for a one week campaign. But you need to recon them daily as your recon is not necessarily etched in stone if you know what I mean.

Not to mention what is brought up in other posts about overlapping Radar Zones from neighboring sites.

Later,
KayBay

[TechSgt]

ORIGINAL: Baron von Beer

...

Also of note: Raid size. [;)] So many of the attacks on the CH/CHL stations were by 1-2 dozen aircraft. Speaking for myself, "Good" results typically take 60 or more bombers. On the extreme end, I've had 90 bomber raids @ 9k feet do 0-25% too.

Baron;

60 or more!!!
Maybe you should try it with a different type of plane?
FB's above 10.0k will do DIVE bombing. It is a much more accurate type of delivery. Therefore, 1 FB unit "should" be sufficent.
In the extreme, there is always a chance the raid just plain missed.

TS

BTW: I DL'd your spreadsheet and added a few column for delivery dates, replacement rates, etc. Still workin' on it. But, I'll try to upload soon.

[JudgeDredd]

There aren't many FBs in ED are there? I think I noticed one 109 unit...

[JapLance]

Radar stations are small targets, and hard to hit for level bombers.

ORIGINAL: TechSgt

Baron;

60 or more!!!
Maybe you should try it with a different type of plane?
FB's above 10.0k will do DIVE bombing. It is a much more accurate type of delivery. Therefore, 1 FB unit "should" be sufficent.
In the extreme, there is always a chance the raid just plain missed.

TS

I thought so , but I've had my Bf 110 diving from as low as 6000 feet, which is odd since I didn't want them to get tangled in the balloons and in the end they did.

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

There aren't many FBs in ED are there? I think I noticed one 109 unit...

You can also use the Bf 110 of Erprobungsgruppe, at least in the Dover area. Additionally, later in the campaign you get a larger Bf 109-4/B unit.

Stukas are excellent for that job, but you have to pay the price to LAA and ballons.

Another tactic I use to leep the radars off is low level attacks by small Do- 17 and Ju 88 units. They`re reasonably fast, and if you time them with larger attacks somewhere else they can be deadly to radar stations or other coastal targets.

This is my current game, and I'm pretty sure most S and SE stations are off line. Guess which is today's first target [:D]

[TechSgt]

ORIGINAL: JapLance

ORIGINAL: TechSgt

Baron;

60 or more!!!
Maybe you should try it with a different type of plane?
FB's above 10.0k will do DIVE bombing. It is a much more accurate type of delivery. Therefore, 1 FB unit "should" be sufficent.
In the extreme, there is always a chance the raid just plain missed.

TS

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

I thought so , but I've had my Bf 110 diving from as low as 6000 feet, which is odd since I didn't wanted them to get tangled in the balloons and in the end they did.

There aren't many FBs in ED are there? I think I noticed one 109 unit...

You can also use the Bf 110 of Erprobbungsgruppe, at least in the Dover area. Additionally, later in the campaign you get a larger Bf 109-4/B unit.

Another tactic I use to leep the radars off is low level attacks by small Do- 17 and Ju 88 units. They`re reasonably fast, and if you time them with larger attacks somewhere else they can be deadly to radar stations or other coastal targets.

Using fighters of fighter-bombers around balloons, is not something to recomend! [:D]
Plotting the attack below 10K will result in SKIP bombing, a less accurate method.
They all dive/drop to 1000 feet to do there job.

As a side note: Somehow Dive or Skip bombing matters more than just this accuracy thing, else GG wouldn't have put it in the "simulation".
My guess is... Picture how fighters & fighter-bombers attacked ground units, especially troops moving. But, the flak is murderous. This is definately an idea which is still a "work-in-progress".

TS

[Hexagon]

Well, eliminate radars is a way to play as axis but i know at least one that dont do it vs AI because he play to win killing RAF in the air (i prefer play killing RAF in the factories and in airfields hehehe).

With no radars there are 2 options, left south to gain time or disperse your units in all airfields and use patrols as radars, 1st give to german player the option to use bombers with no scort (fast attacks) 2nd has the problem of fast hit and run attacks in your airfields by fighters and the unit can survive at 2-3 of these attacks (you can loss 1-3 planes and suffer near double damage).

The best use for Fighter/bombers is the low attack if you kill the low radars 4.000-5.000 is good, with then... 400 but you have the problem of AA but dont worry, these units are small and dont suffer the same casualties as conventional fighters (NEVER use Bf-110 under 5.000 in bombing missions, is like send then to dead).

PD: a little question JapLance, what mod are using you??? i like it [&o]

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: JapLance

Radar stations are small targets, and hard to hit for level bombers.

I tend to use dive bombers, at least for the coastal units. They are(were?) devestatingly effective. Against the AI at least, i don't tend to suffer the massive Junker losses that plauged Goering's boyz. I need to get the updated version of this game so Hard Sarge or dare i say....Speedy can hand me my butt in new and innovative ways. [:D]

if only there were more than 24 hours in a day........alas.

[Oliver Heindorf]

nice map mod. plz share !

[jomni]

ORIGINAL: JapLance

Sorry to hijack the thread but how do you hit the PRIAFs north of London?
Are these unescorted raids. I'm almost a month now playing my very first LW full campaign and I still don't have guts to hit those fields.

[pejsek]

You can escort these raids all the way using delay for escorts, I was able to hit Wittering with Luftflotte 2 and Filton with Luftflotte 3, the raids were escoretd all the way, 1st JG with delay 4, 2nd one with delay 14 etc.