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Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:00 am
by Mistmatz
According to the manual (16.4.1) upgrades happen automatically as long you're close by enough supplies and have enough new devices in the pool to replace the old ones.
Now, I want to make sure that I understand this correctly and device upgrade cannot be influenced by the replacement on/off toggle or any other player controlled thing. Am I right?
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:31 am
by Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: Mistmatz
According to the manual (16.4.1) upgrades happen automatically as long you're close by enough supplies and have enough new devices in the pool to replace the old ones.
Now, I want to make sure that I understand this correctly and device upgrade cannot be influenced by the replacement on/off toggle or any other player controlled thing. Am I right?
I may be wrong, but I think Andy Mac said, elsewhere, that the unit needs to be on Rest mode to upgrade. I'm not sure if this is in the manual.
Corrections welcome.
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:33 am
by xj900uk
I presume you are refering to LCU's in order to upgrade & not air-units? Mind you I've not got around to manually upgrading any squadrons or sentai's yet
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:38 am
by Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: xj900uk
I presume you are refering to LCU's in order to upgrade & not air-units? Mind you I've not got around to manually upgrading any squadrons or sentai's yet
Yes, LCUs only.
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:52 am
by Mistmatz
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: Mistmatz
According to the manual (16.4.1) upgrades happen automatically as long you're close by enough supplies and have enough new devices in the pool to replace the old ones.
Now, I want to make sure that I understand this correctly and device upgrade cannot be influenced by the replacement on/off toggle or any other player controlled thing. Am I right?
I may be wrong, but I think Andy Mac said, elsewhere, that the unit needs to be on Rest mode to upgrade. I'm not sure if this is in the manual.
Corrections welcome.
Negative, I had a LCU upgrade a device last turn that while being in combat mode.
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:02 pm
by xj900uk
Thanx 4 teh clarification
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:13 pm
by Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: Mistmatz
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: Mistmatz
According to the manual (16.4.1) upgrades happen automatically as long you're close by enough supplies and have enough new devices in the pool to replace the old ones.
Now, I want to make sure that I understand this correctly and device upgrade cannot be influenced by the replacement on/off toggle or any other player controlled thing. Am I right?
I may be wrong, but I think Andy Mac said, elsewhere, that the unit needs to be on Rest mode to upgrade. I'm not sure if this is in the manual.
Corrections welcome.
Negative, I had a LCU upgrade a device last turn that while being in combat mode.
This is where Andy discussed this.
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Unless I misunderstand the OP, he clearly says Rest mode is required for device upgrades.
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:50 pm
by Walloc
ORIGINAL: Mistmatz
According to the manual (16.4.1) upgrades happen automatically as long you're close by enough supplies and have enough new devices in the pool to replace the old ones.
Now, I want to make sure that I understand this correctly and device upgrade cannot be influenced by the replacement on/off toggle or any other player controlled thing. Am I right?
No, u dont need rest mode. BigJ62 "overuled" Andy's misconception on that and he programed it [;)].
Currently you need twice the number of devices in the pool to upgrade and enough supplies at the base.
As far as my experience u very much need the upgrade button to be on for upgrades.
Note, that the patch will apparently change some of these conditions.
See this thread for more on the subject.
tm.asp?m=2268110&mpage=1&key=?
Kind regards,
Rasmus
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:20 pm
by Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: Walloc
ORIGINAL: Mistmatz
According to the manual (16.4.1) upgrades happen automatically as long you're close by enough supplies and have enough new devices in the pool to replace the old ones.
Now, I want to make sure that I understand this correctly and device upgrade cannot be influenced by the replacement on/off toggle or any other player controlled thing. Am I right?
No, u dont need rest mode. BigJ62 "overuled" Andy's misconception on that and he programed it [;)].
Currently you need twice the number of devices in the pool to upgrade and enough supplies at the base.
As far as my experience u very much need the upgrade button to be on for upgrades.
Note, that the patch will apparently change some of these conditions.
See this thread for more on the subject.
tm.asp?m=2268110&mpage=1&key=?
Kind regards,
Rasmus
Note that the thread you quote is BEFORE the one I posted the link to. In it, two days later, BigJ62, the programmer, DOES say Rest mode is required. (Please take a look at it.)
I think we need a final answer here.
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:22 pm
by Walloc
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Note that the thread you quote is BEFORE the one I posted the link to. In it, two days later, BigJ62, the programmer, DOES say Rest mode is required. (Please take a look at it.)
I think we need a final answer here.
Ok, thx didnt see that. Guess he is contradicting him self then [:D]
Kind regards,
Rasmus
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:48 pm
by Andy Mac
Be carefull
TOE Upgrades require Rest Mode
Device Upgrades require 2x devices and supply (we are changing this in patch 2 to 1x devices)
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:51 pm
by John Lansford
How long does an LCU need to be in "Rest Mode" before it gets the upgrades? Is it a random time or something fixed?
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:14 pm
by Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
Be carefull
TOE Upgrades require Rest Mode
Device Upgrades require 2x devices and supply (we are changing this in patch 2 to 1x devices)
OK, I may not be the only one confused by this.
I just re-skimmed Chapter 8, in particular 8.2.2. I assume that each device--gun, armored vehicle, radar--has an upgrade path in the DB, and that each falls into one of the buckets in 8.2.2. When a device change time comes, if you have 2x, etc. (soon 1x), it goes "poof" and it's the new model.
I can also envision what a TOE change would look like, changing the mix of devices, but where in the manual are they described or an example given? Can you point me to a good example in a unit that's on-board in 1942? Without looking in the editor, where in the game or which display lists coming TOE Upgrades? Is it only by scrolling through the "I" button's list of pooled devices and searching each date pair? Is it in the LCU button's displays somewhere (I'm not as familiar with them as the plane and ship buttons.)
Sorry if this seems elementary. I'm a ship guy; LCUs are my weakest aspect in the game.
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:56 pm
by Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
Be carefull
TOE Upgrades require Rest Mode
Device Upgrades require 2x devices and supply (we are changing this in patch 2 to 1x devices)
OK, I may not be the only one confused by this.
I just re-skimmed Chapter 8, in particular 8.2.2. I assume that each device--gun, armored vehicle, radar--has an upgrade path in the DB, and that each falls into one of the buckets in 8.2.2. When a device change time comes, if you have 2x, etc. (soon 1x), it goes "poof" and it's the new model.
I can also envision what a TOE change would look like, changing the mix of devices, but where in the manual are they described or an example given? Can you point me to a good example in a unit that's on-board in 1942? Without looking in the editor, where in the game or which display lists coming TOE Upgrades? Is it only by scrolling through the "I" button's list of pooled devices and searching each date pair? Is it in the LCU button's displays somewhere (I'm not as familiar with them as the plane and ship buttons.)
Sorry if this seems elementary. I'm a ship guy; LCUs are my weakest aspect in the game.
OK, I think I found it. Under the TOE toggle, and then a yellow hotpoint on the individual LCU's screen? A little non-intuitive, and not well spelled out in the manual IMO. Probably not possible, but a TOE Upgrade summary screen as ships have, under the "I" button, would sure save some clicking and allow a planning overview.
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:59 pm
by Mistmatz
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
Be carefull
TOE Upgrades require Rest Mode
Device Upgrades require 2x devices and supply (we are changing this in patch 2 to 1x devices)
Thanks for that clarification Andy.
Do you know if there is any way to control device upgrade as well (eg replacement button)?
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:25 am
by BigJ62
If replacements are turned off then no device upgrade.
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:25 pm
by PaxMondo
What mode is required for LCU's to get replacements? Rest?
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:26 pm
by BigJ62
The only time an op mode is required (rest) is for TOE upgrades, this is when a units entire TOE is replaced with a new TOE. This has nothing to do with device upgrades.
1. Device upgrades are common to both Witp and AE.
2. TOE upgrades are a new feature of AE.
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:27 pm
by freeboy
that is clear now thanks
RE: Device upgrade
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:12 pm
by Andy Mac
James is much clearer than me at this stuff.
You can access TOE upgrades by looking at a units TOE on the LCU screen if its yellow at the top that means the TOE changes at some point (not always for the better.....)
Some forces end up with much lower establishments some end up a lot lighter as they shed heavy mot support and some arty to better junglify them