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In one of the pbm games im in.
GB port attacked a French-controlled and garrisoned, Kiel, Russia had put some fleets there for protection.(yes Fr is at war with GB to)

There was no port defense. (created a test.game and confirmed this).

I will send you test files.

Also as you can see, if 16 fleets are involved, only 15 show for casulties.

Regards
Bresh

Got your email and will look at!
Sent your game back to you with your changes done!

ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

Got your email and will look at!
Sent your game back to you with your changes done!

Hi Marshall, thanks for fixing the gamesave.

I did some further testing, was hoping the port would defend the fleet, if the port-owner was in control of the lend fleet.

Sadly it seems garrisoned-allied port does not defend allied fleets, against common enemy, even when the ally has control of the fleet.

Any ideas of how we solve this ?
Hope you can fix this soon, players are suggesting putting game on hold for a fix !

Results of my tests
Ru&Fr allied, both at war with GB, port is French controlled.

Port-garrison French, Russian fleet lend to France: no port defense
Port-garrison French&Russian :no port defense.
Port-garrison solely Russian :Port defense.


Regards
Bresh

Bresh:

I'm not sure how to solve this if the ally is not at war??? May need to force a DOW from the port attacker??? I dunno...
Any thoughts?

If the ally is not at war, they cannot fire the port guns, so there's no need to worry about that. But I think Bresh is saying that here the ally *is* at war, in which case this is a bug.

ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

Bresh:

I'm not sure how to solve this if the ally is not at war??? May need to force a DOW from the port attacker??? I dunno...
Any thoughts?

Marshall, im not sure I understand your question ?
I did not test the situation where the port-owner is not at war with the attacker.
Technically, you can not blockade a port of a nation you are not at war with, so you should not be able to port attack eighter, i dont know how game should behave if the port-owner gave access to both.

But its essential that the port-owner, uses port defense against common enemies.

Like i wrote, to quote myself.

ORIGINAL: Bresh
Results of my tests
Ru&Fr allied, both at war with GB, port is French controlled.

Port-garrison French, Russian fleet lend to France: no port defense
Port-garrison French&Russian :no port defense.
Port-garrison solely Russian :Port defense.

The previous send files, only tested if France defended, Russian fleet against GB-port attack. Witch it turned out they did not.
And yes, both Fr&Ru where also then at war with GB.

This is a one of those bigger bugs, that sadly requires action, like editing savegame(more work for you). And the only present workaround atm, seems to be some bad, redistributing of garrisons. Till a fix is about, the sooner the better..

It seems, the code is eighter not checking when to use port defense propper, or has a bug in the code.


Regards
Bresh

WOOOPS! I see now what you're saying and totally agree! My bad!
Is this in Mantis with a save?

ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

WOOOPS! I see now what you're saying and totally agree! My bad!
Is this in Mantis with a save?

Hi Marshall.
Sorry no, im not on Mantis, im solely using matrix-forum.

But it should not be hard to reproduce, testing shows the only times port defense works, is when owner of fleet equals owner of sole-garrison.
So you will need to check the coding, since against mutual enemies, allies are supposed to work together...


Regards
Bresh

Hi Bresh, I agree this is a major problem, if any country is allied with another,then the port defences must be able to protect any fleets that are in port[:o]

ORIGINAL: bresh

ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

WOOOPS! I see now what you're saying and totally agree! My bad!
Is this in Mantis with a save?

Hi Marshall.
Sorry no, im not on Mantis, im solely using matrix-forum.

But it should not be hard to reproduce, testing shows the only times port defense works, is when owner of fleet equals owner of sole-garrison.
So you will need to check the coding, since against mutual enemies, allies are supposed to work together...


Regards
Bresh

If you run across a save that I can use to code against, it sure would save me a lot of time!

ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

ORIGINAL: bresh

ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

WOOOPS! I see now what you're saying and totally agree! My bad!
Is this in Mantis with a save?

Hi Marshall.
Sorry no, im not on Mantis, im solely using matrix-forum.

But it should not be hard to reproduce, testing shows the only times port defense works, is when owner of fleet equals owner of sole-garrison.
So you will need to check the coding, since against mutual enemies, allies are supposed to work together...


Regards
Bresh

If you run across a save that I can use to code against, it sure would save me a lot of time!

Well i did send you the savegame to fix(i did also attach, a testgame)
In the test.game(a normal testgame, no pbm since its in the general code).
Ru+Fr.allied & both war with GB, At Corsica Port & Garrison where French fleet, was Russian.
Should give you some idea, if you debug the code while running the naval-battle.savegame)

I

Regards
Bresh

Bresh:

Can you tell me when you sent it? I've got so many emails with games that I need to narrow the search a bit!

ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

Bresh:

Can you tell me when you sent it? I've got so many emails with games that I need to narrow the search a bit!

Email with the previous testgame resend.
Subject:[EIANW] Bug, allied port defense not working.(Testgame Resend)

Hope you can use this to help debug.

Regards
Bresh

Thanks!

ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

Thanks!

Marshall, any chance looking into this ?
Im thinking if conditons(flags) are set propper, you might even be able to get garrisoning-Corps to work the port-defense.(witch acording to manual they dont,[havent tested]).

Who controls the fleet inside, or who controls the garrison should not important, if both are enemies with the port-attacker.

I think the conditions you need to check, is.
Who controls the port, is he enemy with the port-attacker ? Remember a MP cant force a neutral-port to use the port defense.
Who garrisons the port, is he enemy with the port-attacker ? Remember to check all garrisons.
So if both get value true, then trigger the port-defense.

Atm it seems your condition checks if garrison and fleet are owned by same nation.(since lending fleet to port-garrison owner doesnt trigger, or having a combined garrison).

Regards
Bresh

I fixed this in the last 1.08 build so that allied ports will defend now.
 

ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

I fixed this in the last 1.08 build so that allied ports will defend now.

Great !

Another good step !

Regards
Bresh