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Get pilot

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:42 pm
by gts2096
is there a way to automatically have replacement pilots come into a squadron?

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:55 pm
by olperfessor
You don't want to do this, I think, but at the top of the air unit screen in yellow you will see "automatic" (which does what you ask for) or "manual" (which means you will have to add pilots. My understanding is that "automatic" means you might get very inexperienced pilots in critical front line units, and experienced pilots in units far from the front.

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:39 pm
by Rob Brennan UK
ORIGINAL: olperfessor

You don't want to do this, I think, but at the top of the air unit screen in yellow you will see "automatic" (which does what you ask for) or "manual" (which means you will have to add pilots. My understanding is that "automatic" means you might get very inexperienced pilots in critical front line units, and experienced pilots in units far from the front.

Once on automatic you can set the skill level minimum for replacements so it sould work ok. I however aways use the manula commant or get veteran.

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:31 pm
by gts2096
well...i tried the automatic setting and still no replacements...several days went by and i would just hit "get pilot" myself...hated to see aircraft sitting there with no one to fly them......so im gonna say it does'nt work unless someone can prove me wrong and i hope i am wrong and missing something[:)]

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:32 am
by gts2096
anyone else?

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:04 am
by SuluSea
ORIGINAL: gts2096

well...i tried the automatic setting and still no replacements...several days went by and i would just hit "get pilot" myself...hated to see aircraft sitting there with no one to fly them......so im gonna say it does'nt work unless someone can prove me wrong and i hope i am wrong and missing something[:)]


Working as designed. The player has to manually add/get pilot whether on manual or automatic settings.
On automatic settings the AI will select your pilot once the player requests additional drivers.

I'd caution against using automatic because you want the bulk of your best jocks at the tip of the spear instead of in the rear with the gear and vice versa for green pilots.

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:02 pm
by gts2096
ok...so i request a veteran pilot.....i click on his name and its ask's me if i want to transfer him ...i click yes.....and he never shows up...please help me

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:13 pm
by TulliusDetritus
The pilot/s will appear, don't worry. Give him some time (the Pacific Ocean is big). 15 days average, or something like that [:)]

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:27 pm
by Mynok

When you request a veteran it will show how many days before he arrives.

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:18 pm
by gts2096
ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

The pilot/s will appear, don't worry. Give him some time (the Pacific Ocean is big). 15 days average, or something like that [:)]
ok..makes sense..but why can we get avg. pilots right away?

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:20 pm
by gts2096
ORIGINAL: Mynok


When you request a veteran it will show how many days before he arrives.
i saw the "due" list ..its 1 day...is that what ur talking about?

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:41 pm
by gts2096
tried another scn and the request veteran pilot seems to be working ....is it a bug with the attu kiska scn possibly..or me[:)]

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:43 pm
by olperfessor
gts2096, it makes sense to me that replacement pilots have no delay. While a specific pilot may be far from the unit, I can see that replacement pilots are scattered around, and the lack of delay might just represent the assignment of whoever is closest.


RE: Get pilot

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:14 pm
by gts2096
ORIGINAL: olperfessor

gts2096, it makes sense to me that replacement pilots have no delay. While a specific pilot may be far from the unit, I can see that replacement pilots are scattered around, and the lack of delay might just represent the assignment of whoever is closest.

makes sense to me...but why am i not seeing the veteran replacement in the pilots list as being delayed X amount of days in one scenario and not the other.....and while im here...ive assigned Col magata to a inf unit....they land on kiska and after re-forming LTC Greer is in charge and Col Magata is back on the available list....i really think this one particular scn is bugged...i hope its just me as im new to this

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:46 pm
by Altaris
When you request a veteran, there is a random number between 0-15 generated, and that is the number of days before the pilot gets added to the squadron's pilot list. BTW, this has nothing to do with the Due field (I don't know what that affects). When it hits 0, the pilot immediately shows up, but needs to be made active. If the number is 1-5, you will see the pilot show up in the pilot list as "In Transit". If > 5, the pilot is coming, but doesn't show up anywhere until it gets to 5 or under days, at which it does show as "In Transit". It's horribly annoying, the pilot should appear as "In Transit" regardless of the number of days, and preferably with an indicator of how many days that will be. I made a real mess of some of my pilot pools while trying to figure this out, would keep requesting more and more pilots since I thought they were disappearing into a black void or simply not transferring, would get my squadron full, then 8-15 days later, would have far, far more pilots than I needed in the group.
 
What I"ve found to work better is this: make sure your Reserve Pools are kept tidy with good pilots, and when you need replacements, just use the "Get Pilot" button while having the "From Pool" set to Reserve. This seems to always pull the pilot in immediately, and the engine is good about choosing appropriate pilots for the plane type (e.g. it gets high Air units for fighters, etc). You can just keep requesting a bunch of extra pilots if you want to get really specific skill sets, and send the ones you don't want back to the General Reserve. It's a little bit of a pain this way, too, but far, far less than wondering when on earth your pilots are going to show up from Request Veteran.
 
Overall, I like the way pilots work in this game, but good grief, I wish the implementation of transferring them around was made cleaner.

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:40 pm
by n01487477
ORIGINAL: Altaris

When you request a veteran, there is a random number between 0-15 generated, and that is the number of days before the pilot gets added to the squadron's pilot list. BTW, this has nothing to do with the Due field (I don't know what that affects). When it hits 0, the pilot immediately shows up, but needs to be made active. If the number is 1-5, you will see the pilot show up in the pilot list as "In Transit". If > 5, the pilot is coming, but doesn't show up anywhere until it gets to 5 or under days, at which it does show as "In Transit". It's horribly annoying, the pilot should appear as "In Transit" regardless of the number of days, and preferably with an indicator of how many days that will be. I made a real mess of some of my pilot pools while trying to figure this out, would keep requesting more and more pilots since I thought they were disappearing into a black void or simply not transferring, would get my squadron full, then 8-15 days later, would have far, far more pilots than I needed in the group.

What I"ve found to work better is this: make sure your Reserve Pools are kept tidy with good pilots, and when you need replacements, just use the "Get Pilot" button while having the "From Pool" set to Reserve. This seems to always pull the pilot in immediately, and the engine is good about choosing appropriate pilots for the plane type (e.g. it gets high Air units for fighters, etc). You can just keep requesting a bunch of extra pilots if you want to get really specific skill sets, and send the ones you don't want back to the General Reserve. It's a little bit of a pain this way, too, but far, far less than wondering when on earth your pilots are going to show up from Request Veteran.

Overall, I like the way pilots work in this game, but good grief, I wish the implementation of transferring them around was made cleaner.
+1 ... the main display should be intuitive enough to allow us to see this. The number of pilots and then parenthesis (delayed number of pilots) doesn't tell the full picture without looking directly at the a/g pilot list. This is one of my gripes - there is no real reason I can see why this can't be displayed (unless someone can persuade me), except for overloading the player with Micro-management.

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:16 am
by ckammp
ORIGINAL: n01487477

ORIGINAL: Altaris

When you request a veteran, there is a random number between 0-15 generated, and that is the number of days before the pilot gets added to the squadron's pilot list. BTW, this has nothing to do with the Due field (I don't know what that affects). When it hits 0, the pilot immediately shows up, but needs to be made active. If the number is 1-5, you will see the pilot show up in the pilot list as "In Transit". If > 5, the pilot is coming, but doesn't show up anywhere until it gets to 5 or under days, at which it does show as "In Transit". It's horribly annoying, the pilot should appear as "In Transit" regardless of the number of days, and preferably with an indicator of how many days that will be. I made a real mess of some of my pilot pools while trying to figure this out, would keep requesting more and more pilots since I thought they were disappearing into a black void or simply not transferring, would get my squadron full, then 8-15 days later, would have far, far more pilots than I needed in the group.

What I"ve found to work better is this: make sure your Reserve Pools are kept tidy with good pilots, and when you need replacements, just use the "Get Pilot" button while having the "From Pool" set to Reserve. This seems to always pull the pilot in immediately, and the engine is good about choosing appropriate pilots for the plane type (e.g. it gets high Air units for fighters, etc). You can just keep requesting a bunch of extra pilots if you want to get really specific skill sets, and send the ones you don't want back to the General Reserve. It's a little bit of a pain this way, too, but far, far less than wondering when on earth your pilots are going to show up from Request Veteran.

Overall, I like the way pilots work in this game, but good grief, I wish the implementation of transferring them around was made cleaner.
+1 ... the main display should be intuitive enough to allow us to see this. The number of pilots and then parenthesis (delayed number of pilots) doesn't tell the full picture without looking directly at the a/g pilot list. This is one of my gripes - there is no real reason I can see why this can't be displayed (unless someone can persuade me), except for overloading the player with Micro-management.


The number on the main display for "Ready Pilots" is the number of active pilots; the number in parenthesis is the number of pilots who have a delay of 1, meaning they can be made active at any time.

The Pilot Screen for each unit lists the pilots who are active, and pilots who have a delay of 1-7 days; pilots who have a delay of 2-7 are not active, so are not included in the "Ready Pilots" total. Pilots with a delay of 8 days or more are not listed on the Pilot Screen, only the Group Reserve Screen; again, since they are not active, they are not included in the "Ready Pilots" total. Also, pilots who are WIA are not included in the "Ready Pilots" total.

While I would like to see all of the unit's assigned pilots listed on the unit's Pilot Screen regardless of delay or status, I can certainly understand the devs had to work with code/engine limitations. IMHO, they did a great job.

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:19 am
by Mynok

I'm not having any troubles in my Guad scenario. I can pull up the reserve list and see who is assigned to a group but not yet arrived pretty easily.

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:35 am
by ckammp
ORIGINAL: Altaris

When you request a veteran, there is a random number between 0-15 generated, and that is the number of days before the pilot gets added to the squadron's pilot list. BTW, this has nothing to do with the Due field (I don't know what that affects). When it hits 0, the pilot immediately shows up, but needs to be made active. If the number is 1-5, you will see the pilot show up in the pilot list as "In Transit". If > 5, the pilot is coming, but doesn't show up anywhere until it gets to 5 or under days, at which it does show as "In Transit". It's horribly annoying, the pilot should appear as "In Transit" regardless of the number of days, and preferably with an indicator of how many days that will be. I made a real mess of some of my pilot pools while trying to figure this out, would keep requesting more and more pilots since I thought they were disappearing into a black void or simply not transferring, would get my squadron full, then 8-15 days later, would have far, far more pilots than I needed in the group.

What I"ve found to work better is this: make sure your Reserve Pools are kept tidy with good pilots, and when you need replacements, just use the "Get Pilot" button while having the "From Pool" set to Reserve. This seems to always pull the pilot in immediately, and the engine is good about choosing appropriate pilots for the plane type (e.g. it gets high Air units for fighters, etc). You can just keep requesting a bunch of extra pilots if you want to get really specific skill sets, and send the ones you don't want back to the General Reserve. It's a little bit of a pain this way, too, but far, far less than wondering when on earth your pilots are going to show up from Request Veteran.

Overall, I like the way pilots work in this game, but good grief, I wish the implementation of transferring them around was made cleaner.


Not exactly the way it works.

When transferring a pilot, there is a random, up to 15-day delay. If the delay is 7 or less, the pilot will be listed in the unit's Pilot Screen; when the delay reaches 1, the pilot can be made active, delays between 2-7 will show the "Pilot in transit" message. If the delay is 8-15 days, the pilot will be listed on the Group Reserve Screen, assigned to the unit and with a delay listing the month the pilot is due (ie 42/01).
This random delay occurs whenever a pilot is transferred, either to another unit, or to/from General Reserve.

If you want to trust the computer to get your pilots, go ahead (I've seen pilots listed under Bomber Reserve get sent to fighter units), but it is not any faster, and is more work. What is easier - using "Request Veteran" once to get the 1 pilot you want for the unit, or using "Get Pilot" several times to finally get the same pilot, then having to send all the other pilots back to General Reserve?

RE: Get pilot

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:07 pm
by Altaris
ORIGINAL: ckammp

ORIGINAL: Altaris

When you request a veteran, there is a random number between 0-15 generated, and that is the number of days before the pilot gets added to the squadron's pilot list. BTW, this has nothing to do with the Due field (I don't know what that affects). When it hits 0, the pilot immediately shows up, but needs to be made active. If the number is 1-5, you will see the pilot show up in the pilot list as "In Transit". If > 5, the pilot is coming, but doesn't show up anywhere until it gets to 5 or under days, at which it does show as "In Transit". It's horribly annoying, the pilot should appear as "In Transit" regardless of the number of days, and preferably with an indicator of how many days that will be. I made a real mess of some of my pilot pools while trying to figure this out, would keep requesting more and more pilots since I thought they were disappearing into a black void or simply not transferring, would get my squadron full, then 8-15 days later, would have far, far more pilots than I needed in the group.

What I"ve found to work better is this: make sure your Reserve Pools are kept tidy with good pilots, and when you need replacements, just use the "Get Pilot" button while having the "From Pool" set to Reserve. This seems to always pull the pilot in immediately, and the engine is good about choosing appropriate pilots for the plane type (e.g. it gets high Air units for fighters, etc). You can just keep requesting a bunch of extra pilots if you want to get really specific skill sets, and send the ones you don't want back to the General Reserve. It's a little bit of a pain this way, too, but far, far less than wondering when on earth your pilots are going to show up from Request Veteran.

Overall, I like the way pilots work in this game, but good grief, I wish the implementation of transferring them around was made cleaner.


Not exactly the way it works.

When transferring a pilot, there is a random, up to 15-day delay. If the delay is 7 or less, the pilot will be listed in the unit's Pilot Screen; when the delay reaches 1, the pilot can be made active, delays between 2-7 will show the "Pilot in transit" message. If the delay is 8-15 days, the pilot will be listed on the Group Reserve Screen, assigned to the unit and with a delay listing the month the pilot is due (ie 42/01).
This random delay occurs whenever a pilot is transferred, either to another unit, or to/from General Reserve.

If you want to trust the computer to get your pilots, go ahead (I've seen pilots listed under Bomber Reserve get sent to fighter units), but it is not any faster, and is more work. What is easier - using "Request Veteran" once to get the 1 pilot you want for the unit, or using "Get Pilot" several times to finally get the same pilot, then having to send all the other pilots back to General Reserve?

Yeah, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't, but I honestly prefer just pulling in a group of pilots via Get Pilot, and sending the ones I don't want back. At least then I don't have to spend days wondering why my pilots are showing the red on air group lists because the pilots in transit aren't moving. If the visibility was better implemented, I agree Request Veteran would be the way to go.

Thanks for clarifying on the delay days and how it affects In Transit display. I was thinking it was 5 days for some reason.