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ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:13 pm
by jcjordan
I found this pic on National Geographic but they had no name for it but just got me to wondering who -



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RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:23 am
by LST Express
Wow! Thats a picture you don't see every day.

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:37 am
by lolz
hmmm...is that a kagero class? can anyone confirm?

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:04 am
by Local Yokel
Too small for a destroyer. Various features (mast, 25mm gun tub layout) strongly indicate that this is a Type C or Type D escort vessel, but without sight of the stack I can't tell them apart.

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:38 am
by minnowguy
Wow.

From the splashes above the ship it looks like the plane that took the picture just left them a 500lb skip-bomb going away present.

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:09 am
by bklooste
Mutsu class or TB ?

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:37 am
by castor troy
ORIGINAL: jcjordan

I found this pic on National Geographic but they had no name for it but just got me to wondering who -



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looks pretty small for a destroyer, must be some kind of other escort. Guess a DD would be at least 50% bigger.

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:58 am
by sayaret
IJN Kaibokan Type D (escort destroyer) "No. 134" under attack by North American medium bomber B-25 near Amoy, China, 6 April 1945.
Top Photo: North American B-25J-5-NC Mitchell "Ruthless Ruth," serial number 43-28014, pulls up after making a skip-bombing run on IJN Coastal Defense Vessel No. 134.
Japanese convoy HOMO-03 left Hong Kong enroute to Shanghai, consisting of subchasers CH-9 and CH-20, destroyer IJN Amatsukaze, Kaibokan (escort destroyers) Coastal Defense Vessels No. 1 and No. 134, Tokai Maru Number 2 and Kine Maru on April 4, 1945.
Attacks by US Navy Martin PBM-5 Mariner flying boats, 5th Air Force Consolidated B-24 Liberators and Lockheed P-38 Lightnings on April 5 sink the two transports, and the convoy breaks up. The subchasers return to Hong Kong while the destroyers head for Amoy, China. Enroute, CH-9, CH-20 and No. 1 are damaged by another wave of B-24s.
The next day, the three destroyers are found by twenty-four B-25s of the 345th; the Americans volunteered for the long over-water flight from their base at San Marcelino, Luzon to the Japanese ships off the China coast. Lt. Mikell scored a near-miss with his delayed fuse bomb; Lieutenant Francis Thompson strafed the ship; the flight leader scored a hit amidships. No. 134 rolled over to starboard and sank, her surviving crew abandoning ship to the shark-infested waters. No. 1 was also skip-bombed and sank. Amatsukaze was beached a mile away on a reef, but slipped stern-first into the sea and sank.


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RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:27 pm
by Shark7
Capsized pretty quick didn't it?

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:28 pm
by mike scholl 1
ORIGINAL: Shark7

Capsized pretty quick didn't it?


Not really..., from the looks of those pics half the starboard side of the ship must have been caved in in the second photo...

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:55 pm
by Dili
It would happen with any non armored ship of that size. There are no miracles in physics.

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:32 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: sayaret

IJN Kaibokan Type D (escort destroyer) "No. 134" under attack by North American medium bomber B-25 near Amoy, China, 6 April 1945.
Top Photo: North American B-25J-5-NC Mitchell "Ruthless Ruth," serial number 43-28014, pulls up after making a skip-bombing run on IJN Coastal Defense Vessel No. 134.
Japanese convoy HOMO-03 left Hong Kong enroute to Shanghai, consisting of subchasers CH-9 and CH-20, destroyer IJN Amatsukaze, Kaibokan (escort destroyers) Coastal Defense Vessels No. 1 and No. 134, Tokai Maru Number 2 and Kine Maru on April 4, 1945.
Attacks by US Navy Martin PBM-5 Mariner flying boats, 5th Air Force Consolidated B-24 Liberators and Lockheed P-38 Lightnings on April 5 sink the two transports, and the convoy breaks up. The subchasers return to Hong Kong while the destroyers head for Amoy, China. Enroute, CH-9, CH-20 and No. 1 are damaged by another wave of B-24s.
The next day, the three destroyers are found by twenty-four B-25s of the 345th; the Americans volunteered for the long over-water flight from their base at San Marcelino, Luzon to the Japanese ships off the China coast. Lt. Mikell scored a near-miss with his delayed fuse bomb; Lieutenant Francis Thompson strafed the ship; the flight leader scored a hit amidships. No. 134 rolled over to starboard and sank, her surviving crew abandoning ship to the shark-infested waters. No. 1 was also skip-bombed and sank. Amatsukaze was beached a mile away on a reef, but slipped stern-first into the sea and sank.


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Warspite1

What an incredible set of pictures - never seen those before. Thanks for sharing [:)]

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:41 am
by CarnageINC
WOW, awesomely powerful pictures of war's destructive carnage!  It looks like she's breaking into don't she, or is that wreckage hanging over in midships?

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:59 am
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: CarnageINC

WOW, awesomely powerful pictures of war's destructive carnage!  It looks like she's breaking into don't she, or is that wreckage hanging over in midships?
Warspite1

No I think you`re right and she`s pretty much been cut in two.

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:58 pm
by byron13
ORIGINAL: minnowguy

Wow.

From the splashes above the ship it looks like the plane that took the picture just left them a 500lb skip-bomb going away present.

I was thinking the same thing. There are enough people in the water and far enough away from the ship that it looks like it has been capsized for some period of time. Was there simply nothing else to bomb and they would have jettisoned otherwise? Seems to be poor form to be bombing a ship and its survivors once it is obvious that the ship is lost. Of course, I didn't lose my bunkmate the day before, so I may have had a different attitude had I been there. But is there much difference between this and machine-gunning the survivors after the ship has sunk below the surface?

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:04 pm
by Apollo11
Hi all,
ORIGINAL: byron13
ORIGINAL: minnowguy

From the splashes above the ship it looks like the plane that took the picture just left them a 500lb skip-bomb going away present.

I was thinking the same thing. There are enough people in the water and far enough away from the ship that it looks like it has been capsized for some period of time. Was there simply nothing else to bomb and they would have jettisoned otherwise? Seems to be poor form to be bombing a ship and its survivors once it is obvious that the ship is lost. Of course, I didn't lose my bunkmate the day before, so I may have had a different attitude had I been there. But is there much difference between this and machine-gunning the survivors after the ship has sunk below the surface?

War is dirty business... always been... always will be...


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Spectacular pictures nonetheless... truly spectacular... [X(]


Leo "Apollo11"

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:10 pm
by Swayin
Ouch ... that's gonna leave a mark.

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:32 pm
by jeffs
I think this would get the message
E obliterated by 500 lb bomb

One thing I like with AE is the instant disintegration messages (often received by my PTs[:(]).

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:39 pm
by Shark7
ORIGINAL: jeffs

I think this would get the message
E obliterated by 500 lb bomb

One thing I like with AE is the instant disintegration messages (often received by my PTs[:(]).

Yes, but it sucks when its a light cruiser that you get that message on.

Oh and the DD I had 'obliterated' by a single 4.7" hit.

RE: ID this Japanese DD

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:28 am
by castor troy
ORIGINAL: Shark7

ORIGINAL: jeffs

I think this would get the message
E obliterated by 500 lb bomb

One thing I like with AE is the instant disintegration messages (often received by my PTs[:(]).

Yes, but it sucks when its a light cruiser that you get that message on.

Oh and the DD I had 'obliterated' by a single 4.7" hit.


that would be a mag explosion then I guess