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Hi guys

Harpoon old timer here - board game too.
Just got the latest and greatest and have some question which I'm sure the brain trust would be able to shed some light on.

1. Can anyone give me a short version of how detection probability is worked out. I had a look at some of the Radar ranges in the DB's and some of them seem way off for the HOE of the applicable vessel.
2. Is it feasible to get a victory condition based on a vessels proximity to a target for a specific length of time. In tandem with this can the target be stated as destroyed after VC has been met.
3. Is there a vessel that could realistically double as High speed - 60 kts +- interceptor fitted with an RWS -12.7mm. I had a look but couldnt really find anything.
4. Can the Hellfire be fitted on small vessels ala the Swedish SB90 or is it purely an airborne weapon - same goes for multibarrel 12.7mm.

Nice being here and hoping for some illuminating conversations.

Fair winds, calm seas.

ORIGINAL: Karwats

2. Is it feasible to get a victory condition based on a vessels proximity to a target for a specific length of time. In tandem with this can the target be stated as destroyed after VC has been met.

IMO, your questions lack sufficient detail, but I think that this one is technically possible. For example, you can set a ViCond that requires one of your ships to be in proximity to an enemy target for a certain amount of time. The area for the ViCond is set according to a geographic location on the map. Therefore, you cannot set something like, "Stay within 10nm of target vessel" as part of the ViCond. You might be able to do it if you order the target vessel to stay within a certain geographic area because that would mean that you are, in essence, forcing the enemy vessel to stay within the ViCond polygon. If you need a more definitive answer, many more details are required.

The second part of the question is vague, but also sounds possible. Are you saying that you want the target to be destroyed (as another ViCond), but you only want it destroyed after the first OnStation ViCond is fulfilled? If that is the case, I do not believe it is possible. However, there are ways to juggle/mix ViConds so that you can get the same results.

ORIGINAL: Karwats

3. Is there a vessel that could realistically double as High speed - 60 kts +- interceptor fitted with an RWS -12.7mm. I had a look but couldnt really find anything.

I believe that this vessel may already exist in the PlayersDB. Harpoon ANW users can get the
Complete Harpoon ANW Library. The unit is called "MRCH Dhow|Smuggler 58kts". It is armed with a hidden 12.7mm GPMG AAA. Check it out and see if it meets your needs. If it does not, we can always make a new platform that matches your specifications so that you can create a scenario.

ORIGINAL: Karwats

4. Can the Hellfire be fitted on small vessels ala the Swedish SB90 or is it purely an airborne weapon - same goes for multibarrel 12.7mm.

Same as for #3. If you need it in order to make a scenario, we can add it. There are plenty of special platforms requested and used by only individual designers. If the SB90 is the same as the Combat Boat HMN90 used by the Mexicans, then it is already in the PlayersDB. The Hellfire is not currently carried on any PlayersDB vessel mounts and I do not know if it can be carried/fired by surface ships in Real Life, but we can always make one for your specification if you want it as a 'what if'-type of weapon.

ORIGINAL: Karwats

Nice being here and hoping for some illuminating conversations.

The discussions here are not merely illuminating. They get downright fiery.

Welcome aboard, shipmate. [8D]

Hi Herman
 
Thanks for the response.
 
1. For some more detail on the timed vc, let me explain what this is trying to simulate. Insertion of a small team from a mothervessel/submarine to target/sabotage a specific installation. Once gepraphic location is reached, team disembarks procceeds to target and completes mission. VC is thus dependant on own vessel remaining on station in the vicinity of the target for a specific time - 30 min or so.
2. The 12.7 RWS (Remote weapon system) has EO, Radar, Fire Control and Laser Ranger - so it would be appreciably more accurate than a manual version of the same caliber, the idea here is to illustrate more capability with the same calibre of weapon.
3. Yes the SB90 is the one used by the mexicans and yes it has succesfully test fired Hellfires on Swedish trials.
 
In general my attempt for scenario(s) would be to illustrate the difficulty in intercepting and countering a hostile clandestine  force- embarked on either high speed surface vessels or submarines - in a high civilian traffic areas. Lots of trawlers and merchant ships- so yes the armed dhow would fit nicely into that.
 
Thanks again and nice to be here- fiery is cool. [;)]

ORIGINAL: Karwats

VC is thus dependant on own vessel remaining on station in the vicinity of the target for a specific time - 30 min or so.

That seems pretty simple and straight forward. You want the mother vessel on station at a location for 30 mins or so.

ORIGINAL: Karwats

2. The 12.7 RWS (Remote weapon system) has EO, Radar, Fire Control and Laser Ranger - so it would be appreciably more accurate than a manual version of the same caliber, the idea here is to illustrate more capability with the same calibre of weapon.

In H2, H3, and ANW, the presence/absence of radar/laser guidance does not affect the Probability of Hit for guns. However, we can certainly create a weapon with higher accuracy to reflect the radar/laser capability and meet the same objective.

ORIGINAL: Karwats

3. Yes the SB90 is the one used by the mexicans and yes it has succesfully test fired Hellfires on Swedish trials.

In general my attempt for scenario(s) would be to illustrate the difficulty in intercepting and countering a hostile clandestine force- embarked on either high speed surface vessels or submarines - in a high civilian traffic areas. Lots of trawlers and merchant ships- so yes the armed dhow would fit nicely into that.

Sounds like a fine idea for a scenario. At this point, you probably want a specific ship mod for your scenario. We could exchange a whole bunch of messages on this forum, but the fastest way to get it done is just to spend a few minutes chatting about it live/online. Good luck in your scenario creation efforts.

As per player request, these platforms have been added to the PlayersDB:

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PG    Fast Interceptor Boat [GAU]
P    OPV Next Generation

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Complete Harpoon 3.6.3 Library

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Complete Harpoon ANW Library
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