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Corps Units
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:55 pm
by JeffroK
One of the great features of AE is the ability to have a Division start in a "broken down" state and if required gather all of the component units together to rebuild the complete Division.
Can this feature also be used to portray a Corps sized unit?
One gripe, and it needs a lot of management, is to organize the units which move at different speeds, how many have had an armour or arty unit arrive a day before the infantry?
If we create a Corps "Mother" unit (example XXX Indian Corps) can we assign "children units (exammple, 7th, 19, 23rd Indian Division, 255 Armd Bde, Gardners Horse, 5 Med Rgt an 8 HAA Rgt) so that if required they can all come together and move and fight as 1 unit. When playing at a time where large forces are fighting in the 1 hex (as in Downfall) the micromanagement to move from hex to hex becomes a real pain. I had 21 Divs plus 40+ support units moving as 1 Army in my game.
Is there a device limit per unit??
Late thought, once rebuilt, you cant split them back to their components[&:]
Maybe scenarios like this need to be at a higher level than for the rest of the campaign??
RE: Corps Units
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:19 am
by michaelm75au
One thing I find lacking with the new OOB splits, is the ability to actual split a full unit back into its 'editor' components rather than the /A,/B,/C units after recombining the unit at some stage.
RE: Corps Units
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:45 am
by Halsey
I'd be happy if I knew what the ABC unit designation is, so that I could assign them the Divisional insignia.[:D]
I like the Corps idea, BTW.
I brought up a similar idea a year ago.[;)]
RE: Corps Units
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:59 am
by michaelm75au
I originally was toying with the idea of using the parent unit's insignia for the /A/B/C units as their slot numbers move around.
But I must have got sidetracked by other things.
[edit]
Just checked code and it looks like I had added that. Must be getting forgetful, or it doesn't work.[&:]
RE: Corps Units
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:09 am
by Halsey
Now that would be very cool![&o]
Wouldn't have to copy thousands of bitmaps.[:D]
Would this work for dividing airgroups?[X(]
RE: Corps Units
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:26 pm
by Halsey
ORIGINAL: michaelm
I originally was toying with the idea of using the parent unit's insignia for the /A/B/C units as their slot numbers move around.
But I must have got sidetracked by other things.
[edit]
Just checked code and it looks like I had added that. Must be getting forgetful, or it doesn't work.[&:]
Hotfix! Hotfix! Hotfix! [:D]
RE: Corps Units
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:54 pm
by AirGriff
Probably way too late to suggest this, but how about divisional HQ's similar to those for air groups? The HQ units could have a little support and maybe a bonus for training. This would encourage keeping parts and pieces of the division somewhere in the same neighborhood. Just a thought.
RE: Corps Units
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:23 am
by Reg
ORIGINAL: JeffK
One of the great features of AE is the ability to have a Division start in a "broken down" state and if required gather all of the component units together to rebuild the complete Division.
Can this feature also be used to portray a Corps sized unit?
One gripe, and it needs a lot of management, is to organize the units which move at different speeds, how many have had an armour or arty unit arrive a day before the infantry?
If we create a Corps "Mother" unit (example XXX Indian Corps) can we assign "children units (exammple, 7th, 19, 23rd Indian Division, 255 Armd Bde, Gardners Horse, 5 Med Rgt an 8 HAA Rgt) so that if required they can all come together and move and fight as 1 unit. When playing at a time where large forces are fighting in the 1 hex (as in Downfall) the micromanagement to move from hex to hex becomes a real pain. I had 21 Divs plus 40+ support units moving as 1 Army in my game.
Is there a device limit per unit??
Late thought, once rebuilt, you cant split them back to their components[&:]
Maybe scenarios like this need to be at a higher level than for the rest of the campaign??
Why make it so complicated??
How about a "Follow Unit" command like Task forces. That way you only need to set the destination of the Corps HQ and all the other units follow along behind...... (or 'slightly in front of' in the case of faster units).
RE: Corps Units
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:35 am
by JeffroK
Reg,
It's the fiddling around with the faster units, playing Andy's DOWNFALL scenario you end up with Army Group sized stacks, 50+ units to work through and its a pain to lose a Tank Bn or Art Bn because you missed it!
I have never tried the "Follow" command for LCU, does this see the lead unit arrive first and the others "X" days behind?
I would really like a TF type unit for LCU, in AE you can even give it a name, to grab all allocated units and move it as one, at the slowest speed if necessary.
RE: Corps Units
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:56 am
by Reg
Jeff,
It's not that hard. Just select the HQ unit, set the destination and then click on the "Set All to Follow" button.
The mouse over message is "Order all other marching units in the unit's hex to stay in hex with this unit". Sounds pretty much like what you want.
I can't comment of its effectiveness so you might need to do a quick test run and see if works as you want....
RE: Corps Units
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:13 am
by CaptBeefheart
I'm also in favor of unit consolidation later in the war. Usually my divisions are combined by mid-1943. I haven't tried Downfall yet, but can imagine how it would help to have integrated corps (that can be divided into A, B and C, of course).
"Follow" of course would work, but it's a matter of reducing clicks and keeping carpal tunnel at bay. [;)]
Cheers,
CC
RE: Corps Units
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:25 pm
by Mifune
Reg thanks for stating what should have been obvious to some (including me). Makes me wonder how and why didnt I think of that [X(]
RE: Corps Units
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:36 pm
by bigred
The japs invaded NZ in my game and activated the 3rd NZ division. The 3rd NZ is an HQ unit w/ support only. As the game has progressed I have started to assign all the "lose" battalions and brigades to the 3rd NZ Div. Seems the 3rd NZ is the only allied div HQ in the game.