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ORIGINAL: Sredni

There's also two Canadian fighter squadrons that are on early war british carriers that withdraw. I pulled em off before I sent the carriers home. Take that Admiralty!

Unfortunately just like all the other Canadian air groups the airframes they have access to have limited production with large gaps between production runs. The Canadian airgroups don't seem suitable for any sustained operations for that reason alone.

There are two 16 plane groups in eastern Canada that can be unlocked. They withdraw in late 1943 though. They can use Hurricane XIIB and Kittyhawk I, III, and IV. The Hurricane's were produced from 6/42-8/42 and I have a total of 49 in my pools. The Kittyhawk I was produced from 12/41-8/42 and I have a whopping 35 in my pools. Kittyhawk III from 9/42-10/42, I have 27 so far in mid october 42. And the kittyhawk IV is produced from 9/43-11/43 at 15 a month, so a whopping 45 planes.

I guess for the rest of the war the Canadians are expecting to arm their pilots with sharp sticks and to flap their arms to take off.

The two carrier groups stolen off withdrawn carriers have a bit better production for their pools. But they're still nothing like what I would require for heavy combat.

ORIGINAL: Frank

ORIGINAL: Sredni

There's also two Canadian fighter squadrons that are on early war british carriers that withdraw. I pulled em off before I sent the carriers home. Take that Admiralty!

Unfortunately just like all the other Canadian air groups the airframes they have access to have limited production with large gaps between production runs. The Canadian airgroups don't seem suitable for any sustained operations for that reason alone.

There are two 16 plane groups in eastern Canada that can be unlocked. They withdraw in late 1943 though. They can use Hurricane XIIB and Kittyhawk I, III, and IV. The Hurricane's were produced from 6/42-8/42 and I have a total of 49 in my pools. The Kittyhawk I was produced from 12/41-8/42 and I have a whopping 35 in my pools. Kittyhawk III from 9/42-10/42, I have 27 so far in mid october 42. And the kittyhawk IV is produced from 9/43-11/43 at 15 a month, so a whopping 45 planes.

I guess for the rest of the war the Canadians are expecting to arm their pilots with sharp sticks and to flap their arms to take off.

The two carrier groups stolen off withdrawn carriers have a bit better production for their pools. But they're still nothing like what I would require for heavy combat.

Hm, I would say the Canadians fought in Europe [;)]

ORIGINAL: Sredni

There's also two Canadian fighter squadrons that are on early war british carriers that withdraw. I pulled em off before I sent the carriers home. Take that Admiralty!

Unfortunately just like all the other Canadian air groups the airframes they have access to have limited production with large gaps between production runs. The Canadian airgroups don't seem suitable for any sustained operations for that reason alone.

There are two 16 plane groups in eastern Canada that can be unlocked. They withdraw in late 1943 though. They can use Hurricane XIIB and Kittyhawk I, III, and IV. The Hurricane's were produced from 6/42-8/42 and I have a total of 49 in my pools. The Kittyhawk I was produced from 12/41-8/42 and I have a whopping 35 in my pools. Kittyhawk III from 9/42-10/42, I have 27 so far in mid october 42. And the kittyhawk IV is produced from 9/43-11/43 at 15 a month, so a whopping 45 planes.

I guess for the rest of the war the Canadians are expecting to arm their pilots with sharp sticks and to flap their arms to take off.

The two carrier groups stolen off withdrawn carriers have a bit better production for their pools. But they're still nothing like what I would require for heavy combat.

ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

My understanding is that most of its air force personnel never left the country. Wiki, for what it is worth, says 3/4s of its air force personnel stayed in Canada.

ORIGINAL: Frank

Hm, I would say the Canadians fought in Europe [;)]

ORIGINAL: aspqrz

ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

My understanding is that most of its air force personnel never left the country. Wiki, for what it is worth, says 3/4s of its air force personnel stayed in Canada.

Empire Air Training Scheme? [&:]

Aka "The aerodrome of democracy" (Roosevelt)? [8D]

100,000 Canadians involved, 10,000 aircraft in Canada involved. 130,000 pilots, navigators, gunners and other aircrew from all over the Commonwealth and allied countries trained?

That would probably explain it [:D][:D][:D]

There's more ways of winning than fighting directly [;)]

Phil

ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

Thanks for the clarification Phil. I remembered part of the history. My response was originally for Frank who seemed to be suggesting more Canadian Air Force units were not available in the Pacific because they were fighting in Europe...

ORIGINAL: Sredni

ORIGINAL: Frank

Hm, I would say the Canadians fought in Europe [;)]

........ dragged into the war by default with britain.

ORIGINAL: Sredni

ORIGINAL: Frank

Hm, I would say the Canadians fought in Europe [;)]

Yes heh. From all the history I've read and learned in school I get the impression we never fought in the pacific at all. I know we were very heavily involved in europe from day one, dragged into the war by default with britain. But I never hear much about a Canadian airforce either. Though that I also know instead of joining a canadian airforce a lot of Canadians joined the British airforce. Though I don't know how true that was in WWII compared to WWI (I'm not sure if we even had an airforce in wwi lol).

One of the quotes I hear a lot is that Canada had the 3rd largest navy in the world at the end of the war. How large that could be I dunno (or weather it's in regard to # of hulls, or tonnage or what). Especially considering that the Japanese, German, Italian, and French navies had been decimated by that point it seems kinda like a self congratulatory claim. I bet 99% of the Canadian navy was involved in convoy duty to britain though.

I honestly know more about how other peoples countries participated in the war then my own. Canadian schools arn't really big on our own history.

Just for comparisons sake, right now Canada has a population of 34 million. The United States has a population of 309 million. Around 1/10th the population. Not sure how similar that ratio was during wwII, but it was probably pretty close. You guys have states with more population then our entire country lol.


TBH the lack of airframe production for Canada kinda disappoints me :/. It'd be great to put some Canadian airgroups to work. I wish I could spend political points to increase production, or to transfer some of the 100's of p40E's I have laying around gathering dust to other commands.

ORIGINAL: Offworlder

ORIGINAL: Sredni

ORIGINAL: Frank

Hm, I would say the Canadians fought in Europe [;)]

Yes heh. From all the history I've read and learned in school I get the impression we never fought in the pacific at all. I know we were very heavily involved in europe from day one, dragged into the war by default with britain. But I never hear much about a Canadian airforce either. Though that I also know instead of joining a canadian airforce a lot of Canadians joined the British airforce. Though I don't know how true that was in WWII compared to WWI (I'm not sure if we even had an airforce in wwi lol).

One of the quotes I hear a lot is that Canada had the 3rd largest navy in the world at the end of the war. How large that could be I dunno (or weather it's in regard to # of hulls, or tonnage or what). Especially considering that the Japanese, German, Italian, and French navies had been decimated by that point it seems kinda like a self congratulatory claim. I bet 99% of the Canadian navy was involved in convoy duty to britain though.

I honestly know more about how other peoples countries participated in the war then my own. Canadian schools arn't really big on our own history.

Just for comparisons sake, right now Canada has a population of 34 million. The United States has a population of 309 million. Around 1/10th the population. Not sure how similar that ratio was during wwII, but it was probably pretty close. You guys have states with more population then our entire country lol.


TBH the lack of airframe production for Canada kinda disappoints me :/. It'd be great to put some Canadian airgroups to work. I wish I could spend political points to increase production, or to transfer some of the 100's of p40E's I have laying around gathering dust to other commands.

Yes the Canadians fought mainly in Europe, so much so that half the 'British' contribution to the invasion of Europe was in fact Canadian.

ORIGINAL: moonraker

Thwere were some Canadian Units involved in the retaking of Attu and Kiska in the Aleutian Campaign I thought ??

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Sredni

ORIGINAL: Frank

Hm, I would say the Canadians fought in Europe [;)]

........ dragged into the war by default with britain.

Warspite1


What I don't understand is the need for the comment above which is a) simply not true and b) is just a typical snide remark against the UK [:-]

ORIGINAL: Sredni

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Sredni




........ dragged into the war by default with britain.

Warspite1


What I don't understand is the need for the comment above which is a) simply not true and b) is just a typical snide remark against the UK [:-]

I honestly didn't mean it in a snide way, it's simply how it was, I guess I worded that poorly. WWI and WWII both, Canada was automatically at war once Britain went to war. There was no requirement for Canada to declare war for itself. Hindsight certainly shows that our involvement was both right and just, so nobody could quibble with the outcome. I'm sure there were some who resented being subservient in such a way, but things changed after the war in that we are no longer tied quite so closely so people can't complain about that anymore.